[Nighthawk]

The Honda pioneer 1k weights around 1700lbs and is rated at 77hp. I've driven a deluxe 5 seater and they move pretty well. Granted it's a dual clutch setup.

[emersonsc]

No wet clutch. Count me out. Maybe I can get Emerson's big bore kit some day. And an upgraded wet clutch.

Big bore was a no go. Sent a cylinder down to the dealer in Ohio (Hendershot i believe was his last name) and said due to the motor design it couldn't be done.

I'm curious though, because the article posted in link I posted above states the 1000 is a "pumped up" version of the Z8. I'm wondering if its just a similar design block, or identical block.

Hendershot had mentioned something about the stroke not being long enough to support a BIGGER bore (I might have the wording wrong, this was some time ago) so I don't know. The break downs aren't yet available on the dealer parts portal so I don't have a way at the moment to compare parts to see what's the same yet.

EDIT: meant bigger bore not longer bore

[Wheels]

Can and has been done.

[Scottzforce800]

Well I guess I'll put my two cents in. As a owner that has 4600 miles on Zforce 800 and had several issues I guess I am somewhat qualified to comment. First off an update on mine, after the wet clutch replacement which was done under warranty back in June I've only had a carrier bearing issue which I repaired myself. Out of warranty now. Engine has been doing fine for now. As for the 1000, very disappointed in the lack of suspension upgrade, mine rides like a tader wagon, rough as hell. Although the hp is lower than expected the increase torque and dry clutch should improve take off. Just my opinion but you can keep wet clutches, trust me they will fail and if you have to pay for it, it won't be cheap. Like the 27" tires instead of the 26" that came on mine. Mine runs 73 mph though I wouldn't recommend it, sounds like it going to fly all to hell past about 65 mph.  Any way the 77 hp should get you closer to 80 mph I would think, damn that's more than you need really. But if they model the 1000 after the 800 engine I'm not sure about the bearings, cams, and chains. If they do not upgrade the air filter after all the engine failures (including mine of course) I wonder what their engineers are thinking. Hopefully at the very least when someone gets to see one,if the filter box is located in same location, there will be a two stage filter inside. Overall I'm pleased CF Moto is trying to step up, but lack of suspension upgrade and possible lack of air filter upgrade would prevent me from buying one. I'll keep riding my 800EX until it dies, lol

[emersonsc]

Can and has been done.

If that's the case why don't you share with the class and actually contribute to the conversation. Examples of the so called "has been done"

[emersonsc]

https:// youtu.be/LRl7enEXM14

Can't wait for the new chassis there working on

Did your source say why such a shortfall on the HP? What happened to 90+? 77 seems pretty underpowered for a 1000.

Lol that's speculation emerson, the 1k isn't happening,, remember

Oh the arrogance runs deep in you doesn't it?

I see you dodged the question though...

Arrogance? ....
Everything I have said on here for months, has now been proven. 
All I said on HP was that it'd be "closer to 100"
82 foot lbs of tq, with no wet clutch,I'm sure you can imagine there goin to move first well.
Telling you anything further seems pointless at this rate.

And yes, they are working on a new long travel chassis,  the HP game should be interesting.

Since you want to play semantics... You claimed the motor would be closer to 100HP. Ok sure. Anything passed 62 HP would be closer to 100 HP. But one could say 77HP is closer to 62 HP than 100 HP.

You sure EVERYTHING has been proven? You posted the motor would be a KTM 990 which is so far from the truth on this motor. The OFFICIAL press release clearly states it's a "pumped up" version on the Z8.  The Z8 motor is based on the CanAm motor, NOT KTM as you claimed it would be. Your vague claim of it being closer to 100HP also is a crap claim. 15HP over a 62HP Z8 motor is hardly an improvement.

[Wheels]

This topic is gonna turn into personal attacks very fast.
Em, if you were in the loop of this Z10 build you would understand where NightHawk is coming from,
Cfmoto took a crack at the ktm 990 , it didn't work for a lot of reasons.
Lost time meant a fall back to the 800 big bore.
The hp was revised down as driveline will not reliability handle it
A lot of this stuff is way above your pay grade so, you get left behind to find out information late.

[emersonsc]

This topic is gonna turn into personal attacks very fast.
Em, if you were in the loop of this Z10 build you would understand where NightHawk is coming from,
Cfmoto took a crack at the ktm 990 , it didn't work for a lot of reasons.
Lost time meant a fall back to the 800 big bore.
The hp was revised down as driveline will not reliability handle it
A lot of this stuff is way above your pay grade so, you get left behind to find out information late.

Interesting... The second time "understanding" has been asked for his mistake in reporting on this, yet you and him have relentlessly jumped my butt bout it. He defended the picture of it with the doors saying yup that's how its going to be, then when the release comes out he back tracks and says "oh come on that was a preproduction model" and now up until I point it out, there's ZERO explanation, update, or admission that the motor wasn't the KTM motor as he claimed it was.

Btw there is no "understanding" to where he's coming from for a couple of reasons. 1, he claimed the KTM motor as recent as August 31st with such certainty. Two weeks later the unit is revealed and silence from him on the motor. 2, has he shown a SHRED of "understanding" on where I was coming from? Hell no. Unfortunately, I have a shit sales rep, and was fed lines of crap from two (at least they claimed to be) engineers from CFMoto who made a special trip to our shop to investigate the shit air box design that's caused MANY motors to blow. They had claimed (and still try to) that it's not a problem, and I've been the only dealer to have these issues. Except the CFMoto Power Syndicate Facebook page, as well as here, is littered with people complaining about theirs blowing up due to sand inhalation. But I digress.

You can't act like a complete jacka**es and then ask for understanding when he's wrong when he's shown no mercy on his end. He was going off the Intel he got, as was I. Unfortunately I was wrong as well as everything I was told, and haven't an issue with being so or admitting it. I've stated this several times. Nighthawk on the other hand hasn't the capability of being so. It turned into personal attacks LONG before this Wheels...

[Jason]

If you have nothing constructive to add to discussions then do not post on this forum.  This is not a request.  I created this forum with a purpose to create a base of information about the CF Moto brand by people who actually own and ride them.  This will not be a chat room for trying to prove yourself right and someone else wrong resulting in arguments with each other on the internet.  I’ve got analytics to prove that the vast majority of everyone on here is an adult.  Act like it and stop the junior high bickering.  I don’t have the time to police every thread and I don’t expect NMKawierider to, either.  It’s a waste of your time and anyone else’s time who has to sift through your meaningless discussions when they’re trying to acquire some information.  If you’d like to argue with people you don’t know I suggest using Topix, Facebook, or any other means of communication not titled cfmoto-forum.

I issued a warning to Nighthawk last week regarding his ongoing banter with emersonsc and he has not taken that warning seriously.  In that warning I told him the next occurrence would result in an account and an IP ban, but I’ve opted for a different route.  His account has been banned for 30 days from posting and will revert to normal status after 30 days.  Going forward there will be no more 30 day bans.  This is going to serve as the one and only public warning I’m going to take time to issue.

Wheels and emersonsc – you’ll both be next if/when you continue to fuel the fire.  I don’t care who thinks they’re right or wrong; if the conversations even warrant a discussion about it everyone involved will be removed from this forum. 

If you have an avenue for information ahead of public releases that’s excellent and please share at your own discretion.  If you choose not to share, then that’s fine too.

If you don’t have the same access to information then take it with a grain of salt and move on.

If your right, then be right humbly.  If you’re wrong, then admit it, learn from it, and move on.

[Workhardplayhard]

 Well that escalated quickly! LOL! Thank you Jason! You guys are doing a great job with this forum, tons of good info and good people on here. If it wasn't for this forum I doubt I would have purchased my CFM. We should all be so grateful for the time and efforts you have put into this forum and the comradery it has brought too many CFM owners. Thanks again Jason and NMKawierider, your efforts haven't gone unnoticed!

[willpower719]

Well back to the topic at hand.....hopefully I didn't miss this in the thread but how have they corrected the impossible to reach dip stick issue mentioned in that article? If its an extension could be used on the mighty 800?

Thanks.

[Spaceman78]

Thanks, Jason.

Emersonsc, I hate that the big bore didn't work out. I vaguely seem to remember reading somewhere that the cylinder walls were too thin to bore.

I know wet clutches do fail, but how many $120 plus belts would fail first?

Even though the HP number is a little low, I'd sure welcome 30 extra ft/lbs of torque. The standard Wild Cat has, or had last I knew, 77 HP. I do wonder though, if those numbers were switched around.

[REDRIDER]

low hp increase but that's a BIG torque increase. torque is great, and having more power at lower rpm can be a good thing for engine longevity.

[Hrc630]

Just let you Know that a 800 with the race kit is only 1-2 lenght behind the 1000 from 0 to 60 mph on flat ground
Probably more difference if the race was on hillclimb because of the Monster torque of the 1000.
No idea of the top speed.
For your information, a 800 with the race kit is 1 or less lenght with a RZR 900s from 0-60 mph. The Z start faster but after 50 mph the 900s take it.


Cf Moto work on a completely new platform for 2018. New frame, new motor, long travel suspension and possibly a 1000 turbo....

[Wheels]

The ramped 990 I have tried last few days in China, will leave 30+feet of tire on the ground. Now for some clutch tweeting and the animal is ready to attack. 90+hp fully unlocked. This is not the final release.