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Offline Ebrimmer

Clunking from Drivetrain
« on: July 19, 2020, 08:03:36 PM »
I have a clunk from somewhere in my drivetrain.  I originally thought for sure it was from the rear diff, but now I'm not sure if it's the diff, the transmission, or maybe even the secondary clutch.  It does it upon engagement when I'm taking off if I don't ease into it super carefully.  It's almost like there's too much play somewhere in the driveline.  It works fine when moving at any speeds, it's just the initial point of take off.

Fyi: This is a snippet from someone who posted this in the general forum back in 2019. I'm having this exact issue in my 2020 Cforce 800 xc so I wanted to see if other owners are seeing the same in their 2019 or 2020 cforce 800 models.
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Offline Brettchuck

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2020, 01:47:03 PM »
No clunk, just the slamming shut of my sphincter when I give it too much throttle at start off.  Especially in reverse..LOL
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Offline Ebrimmer

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2020, 05:14:33 PM »
No clunk, just the slamming shut of my sphincter when I give it too much throttle at start off.  Especially in reverse..LOL

That is good to know about no clunk. Anybody else experiencing this clunk?

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Offline Ebrimmer

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 04:18:13 PM »
I have a clunk from somewhere in my drivetrain.  I originally thought for sure it was from the rear diff, but now I'm not sure if it's the diff, the transmission, or maybe even the secondary clutch.  It does it upon engagement when I'm taking off if I don't ease into it super carefully.  It's almost like there's too much play somewhere in the driveline.  It works fine when moving at any speeds, it's just the initial point of take off.

Fyi: This is a snippet from someone who posted this in the general forum back in 2019. I'm having this exact issue in my 2020 Cforce 800 xc so I wanted to see if other owners are seeing the same in their 2019 or 2020 cforce 800 models.

Spoke with my dealer about the clunk. There is back lashing needed in the gears combined with the helix spring of the secondary clutch causing the noise. If the back lashing was not there the motor would rip through gears. Learning how to throttle the machine to minimize sound helps quite a bit.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2020, 05:08:30 PM »
Spoke with my dealer about the clunk. There is back lashing needed in the gears combined with the helix spring of the secondary clutch causing the noise. If the back lashing was not there the motor would rip through gears. Learning how to throttle the machine to minimize sound helps quite a bit.
....And you bought that explanation? 
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Offline Ebrimmer

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2020, 05:22:40 PM »
Spoke with my dealer about the clunk. There is back lashing needed in the gears combined with the helix spring of the secondary clutch causing the noise. If the back lashing was not there the motor would rip through gears. Learning how to throttle the machine to minimize sound helps quite a bit.
....And you bought that explanation?
I bought it with the idea that it is also under warranty. If they are wrong we'll have it surface during the warranty period for sure. I'm not light on my machine at all as I've put 2000 miles on it already.

As a precaution I changed the transmission oil today to see if there is any chinks which was no there wasn't.

I pulled the clutch housing off to see if there was anything weird there. No there wasn't.

At this point I have to stop worrying and just enjoy the ride.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2020, 05:35:33 PM »
Spoke with my dealer about the clunk. There is back lashing needed in the gears combined with the helix spring of the secondary clutch causing the noise. If the back lashing was not there the motor would rip through gears. Learning how to throttle the machine to minimize sound helps quite a bit.
....And you bought that explanation?
I bought it with the idea that it is also under warranty. If they are wrong we'll have it surface during the warranty period for sure. I'm not light on my machine at all as I've put 2000 miles on it already.

As a precaution I changed the transmission oil today to see if there is any chinks which was no there wasn't.

I pulled the clutch housing off to see if there was anything weird there. No there wasn't.

At this point I have to stop worrying and just enjoy the ride.
I agree..run it and have fun.
2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS
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Offline Mike73B

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2020, 07:08:00 PM »
Count me in...I bought a new 2021 and after 248 KM's the clunking started under the same described conditions.  I too brought it to my dealers attention, they did the break-in service flushing all the fluids to find nothing out of the ordinary, picked the bike up and tech told me "this is normal"...normal my ass!
What can you do...I have come to the same mind set...drive it and get it repaired under warranty!

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Offline Grandmaster Splash

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2020, 02:37:45 PM »
Hi Ebrimmer,

There is not a problem with your rear transmission.
Your countries dealer and importer will have little or zero knowledge of this as their dealer support technical training network is potentially non-existent if it is the same as is here in the UK. Here in the UK they do not have the time or inclination to begin to understand or want to understand.  Their only aim being to sell quad bike bikes and quad bike parts, the majority of dealers here in UK are Garden Machinery providers for this type of quad bike, there are few that specialise in off road and on road quad bikes and the in depth technicalities and requirements. There are some professional & knowledgably quad bike dealers, but they deal exclusively with racing quad bikes only.

Fitted to the rear axle of your model X8 I suspect is an Eaton Detroit Locker NoSpin Diff unit. Check your hand book and spec to be certain you this fittted. Be sure to use a quality petroleum/mineral based oil, it works best in the Detroit Locker units. Something like a recommend synthetic oil, friction additive/modifier is not required, i.e. Comma EP 80W-90 GL-4 Mineral Gear Oil. I use Fuchs Gear Oil Silkolene Boa 80W-90 Mineral oil designed specifically for these axles. I change that oil in both axles every year irrespective of mileage and use as it will prolong axle life. You will get premature failure of the axles and diff units if you use the wrong lubrication. If you are putting your machine through hard off-road use change the oil every year or more often. Some dealers may refer to this a “Jaw” diff, only because that is what their parts systems tell them. The term “Jaw Diff” is not a Brand name it is a lose technical term derived from the fact that the planetary gears on each end of the half shafts have dog clutches on them. These dog clutches are a set of matching dog teeth on each end of the diff gears and half shaft gears. A dog clutch system has been used on incredibly old a basic manual gearbox for decades, the two sets of dog clutch gears on each side of the diff are loosely referred to as a “Jaws”. Confusing yes, can the dealers and importers explain this no, I hope it helps and makes sense to you?

In short what happens is this: -
•   Driving straight ahead on a tarmac road at high speed or low speed off road the diff is locked, i.e. the wheels will not turn at different speeds, they are locked as one solid drive same speed to both wheels.

•   When you turn a corner especially on tarmac the diff unlocks & permits the rear wheels to turn at different speeds like a normal diff. Especially the inside wheel of the corner as it has more traction/resistance and difficulty in turning. The increased torque on the inside wheel cause the spring to unlock the locked diff. Because you are on tarmac and turning slow you get a clunking type of noise from the rear diff area. This is normal, there are some hefty springs disengaging the planetary wheel of the diff unit to allow the wheel to turn at different speeds. The tyres are providing excellent grip and will not slip hence the diff gear mechanism clunks and clicks as the mechanism engages and disengages. The Clunk/click noise from the rear diff unit is more pronounced on tarmac road than loose ground surface. As you corner at slow speed on tarmac you may also notice/feel a kind of jerking or clunking from the rear wheels, its as if you have poor throttle control. However, it is the dog clutch gears engaging and disengaging as you corner, try as you might to control throttle it will always happen with this design diff. Decades ago the majority of manual gearboxes on cars and trucks had dog clutch gearboxes i.e. no synchromesh units on every gear. To prevent the gears from stripping their teeth every time a gear was selected one and to double clutch and rev the engine between gear. This process matched the speeds of the layshaft and main shaft in the gearbox prevent the gears from crunching when you changed gear. It is not possible to adopt a driving technique with the CFMOTO 800 X8 to prevent the clunk/click from the rear axle as the whole process is automated. Be aware of it keep the axles topped up with oil and change the oil more regular than recommended by CFMOTO.

•   The noise will be less pronounced on lose ground off road when cornering at low speed, the noise is not so noticeable on tarmac at high speed cornering but this as you know is not advised on quad bikes due to your high centre of gravity.

I attach the Eaton manual for you, there is also a test/check sequence in the manual,  you will also find some videos on You tube if you want a more in-depth appreciation of how this works, please link to bespoke Eaton video on you tube below FYI. After watching the video hopefully all the pennies will drop it is fairly straight forward.

Take care & enjoy your ride Grandmaster Splash & his Furious Drive
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Offline Grandmaster Splash

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2020, 02:39:43 PM »
Here is the you tube clip FYI

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2020, 03:59:27 PM »
There are no EATON parts on any CF Moto...at least in the US.
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Offline Skogsvarelse

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2020, 01:59:24 AM »
In Europe the c force 850xc and c force 1000 has some kind of automatic locking rear diff.

Looking at the parts diagram they have 3 different rear axels/diffs.

 One version that locks like some kind of limited slip visco lock:  https://cfmotoparts.eu/2019-atv-cf1000au-rear-axlewith-automatic-differential-lock

This im not sure what it is: https://cfmotoparts.eu/2019-atv-cf1000au-rear-axlewith-jaw-differential-lock

This one has no actual differential in it (both wheels turn the same): https://cfmotoparts.eu/2019-atv-cf1000au-rear-axleno-differential

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Offline Mike73B

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2020, 06:48:48 AM »
Any idea on how to tell what specific version one has IE. from the year or VIN number or something? 
Thanks

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Offline Z8rider

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2020, 08:28:10 AM »
they don't have a differential.

if its ONLY at clutch engagement, it is likely due to the cam of the secondary not being fully seated against the buttons when you take off. Its possible it could be binding, otherwise it does happen from time to time under certain driving conditions. Also keep in mind there is a lot of tolerances that stack up as you go down the drive line, when force is applied to all those components from a relaxed state (or from a position where there is a change in direction of the force), that tolerance will get taken up resulting in some type of noise. Really subjective what is considered "normal".


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Offline seanpm912

Re: Clunking from Drivetrain
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2020, 10:55:55 AM »
So i purchased my new2020 cforce 800 because it fit the budget and had the 2 up feature i liked to hhave the wife with me sometimes. I only use the atv on private property about 50 acres to train and let my dog hunt.


I noticed a few weeks after getting it a noise in reverse when the handlbar was cut to one side. (How many times do we ever do this) so i never thought about it again. Recently i heard it again and became aggravated so dropped it off to the dealer.

Fast forward almost 3 weeks after drop off and im told that CFmoto advised the dealer the motor needs to be pulled. (WHY?! idk.)


Dealer said they were advised of an issue and this is the fix.

Anyone ever have this issue?