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Offline cr2crf

Which Mod First
« on: July 10, 2018, 05:45:28 AM »
Picking up a Z800 Trail tomorrow.  What should I do first (besides new Uni air filter)?  Doors?  Windshield (front and rear or only front)? 

Because I'm new to this side of offroading (Been motocross/desert for 40 years and body can't take the pounding/falling) brands, links, and best pricing would be helpful.

I need to keep the 50 inch width so spacers are out.

Thanks

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Offline doug80638

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2018, 07:28:37 AM »

First thing to do is adjust the shocks for a less stiff response, and lower the tire pressure to between 8-10 lbs.  ;-)

Then ....

Uni-filter
Rock sliders
Flip-up windshield and soft rear window


2017 Zforce 800 - Red
SuperATV Flip windshield
Tusk soft rear window
Uni-Filter foam air filter
Bandit springs

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Offline ctdls

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2018, 07:46:35 AM »
That question is like "what is best"  :) Without knowing you, how & where you ride it's difficult to place importance & order of mod's  :D

These are my thoughts, if you add a front windshield plan for a rear. With just a front windshield you will create a vacuum & vortex right in the cab. I don't like the sun & rain pounding on me so a roof is hi priority.

Already mentioned ride quality is not the best. I would suggest going full soft with those POS shocks as the starting point & reduce air pressure as mentioned. Canada is stock 6 ply tires & I would think yours are as well.

When adjusting the shocks they are labelled F & S, This  is"not" Firm & Soft it is Fast & Slow......must be a translation thing  ;) If you are quick driver, suspension my be a priority, one member just upgrades to Elka Stage 1 with very good results.
ZF 800 LX Trail, stock for now.......not for long.

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Offline cr2crf

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2018, 10:47:36 AM »
First thing to do is adjust the shocks for a less stiff response, and lower the tire pressure to between 8-10 lbs.  ;-)

Thanks for the input.  After reading the board for over a month, that was on my list of do before ride.  I have been doing motorcycle suspension for 30 years, so these will be an easy adjust and ultimately rebuild or upgrade.

That question is like "what is best"  :) Without knowing you, how & where you ride it's difficult to place importance & order of mod's  :D

Raced motocross for years but had too many injuries to continue.  The Z800 will be something my wife and I will use to roam around the state of Idaho's trails.

These are my thoughts, if you add a front windshield plan for a rear. With just a front windshield you will create a vacuum & vortex right in the cab. I don't like the sun & rain pounding on me so a roof is hi priority.

Good insight on the windshield.  I had heard that and I appreciate you confirming it.  Roof comes with the Z800 so I'm good there.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2018, 11:01:13 AM »
I say protect the engine first and get it broke in. Then do what you want as needed over time. Like said above, if installing a windshield, get one you can open..the flip is great IMO. But also bank on getting that rear shield at the same time. Tires..I see so many run these and I guess in most situations they are OK but they left me "stopped" too many times so they had to go. Kept the rims though. Belly protection- those cages are rock magnets and will catch every time. Consider some protection there in time. I made steel ones..work great but heavy. Doors--eah..nice most times, other times it nice to go without. Rodin's just pop off when I want the open feel.

Lots of time to modify..enjoy your new ride with the wife and play with mods on those off-weekends.
2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage |7- 9.7" GPS Systems | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front | Cage Chop Mod

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline ctdls

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2018, 11:17:21 AM »
Quote from: cr2crfI have been doing motorcycle suspension for 30 years, so these will be an easy adjust and ultimately rebuild or upgrade.


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If you can do something with these shocks you will have some friends very quickly  ;) They are not off the shelf stuff.
ZF 800 LX Trail, stock for now.......not for long.

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2018, 12:14:47 PM »
I don't seem to have much of a problem with dust, I have the flip up windshield and full doors. It gets a little swirl in once in a while but not usually. I typically and riding under 25mph though that me be why. First air filter. For me next was big tires and a lift and clutching to B2 and 23g dr pulley sliders (I have an EX though) at the same time. then was light bar front rear and side. then windshield. Then doors. Then A little Bluetooth speaker, rearview mirror, accessory bag for the bed. Next will be fixing what I broke and a skid plate soon.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2018, 02:02:51 PM »
One thing I didn't mention was in prep, you should take a few minutes and check the torque on all the suspension and steering-related bolts as well as all the component mounting bolts like differential,gear case, engine mounts and..check that they put in the cotter pins on the tie rod ends. Their QC misses things like that more often them they should. 
2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage |7- 9.7" GPS Systems | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front | Cage Chop Mod

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline cr2crf

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2018, 03:38:50 PM »
One thing I didn't mention was in prep, you should take a few minutes and check the torque on all the suspension and steering-related bolts as well as all the component mounting bolts like differential,gear case, engine mounts and..check that they put in the cotter pins on the tie rod ends. Their QC misses things like that more often them they should.

Cotter pins!  Nice tip.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2018, 03:55:18 PM »
One thing I didn't mention was in prep, you should take a few minutes and check the torque on all the suspension and steering-related bolts as well as all the component mounting bolts like differential,gear case, engine mounts and..check that they put in the cotter pins on the tie rod ends. Their QC misses things like that more often them they should.

Cotter pins!  Nice tip.
Yeah..many have been left out..I even had one missing. Some have had their tie rod end come off because of not having one in it. Even Luke Lester from Dirt Trax lost one when racing one of theirs in a factory race..un-real. Advance this vid up to 9:30 and see...

2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage |7- 9.7" GPS Systems | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front | Cage Chop Mod

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline glenlivet

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2018, 04:21:00 PM »
Idaho! Great state for ATVing, that's my Trail 800 on a trail above Wallace in my avatar. :)
Depending on your riding area, better skidplates are a darned good investment. I went with Ricochet full set plastic lined. Costly but great. You'll see that there are two 'baskets' that stick down lower than the underbelly and the right side one has the plastic gas tank depending down into it. The frame metal boxes protecting these baskets is thin and has holes, which enabled me to see the gas tank right there and my ditch and rock crossings had not only torn a chunk off the stock feeble skidplate but dented the metal basket so that a front corner touched the gas tank plastic! Not relishing the idea of a very tough to repair trailside hole in the bottom of my gas supply I bent it back out of the way, and on installing the new Ricochet saw that this plate fully covers and protects this area.
I've had great success with Iron Baltic skidplates before but as of last fall they still don't make one for the Trail model. The EX main plate would fit fine but they have no compatible A arm guards.

It was I who bought the Elkas, Stage 1. Great improvement in ride and comfort.

Niceities: There's a guy on eBay selling multiple compartment roof liner storage bags. They fit perfectly between the rops bars and are great for carrying things you like to access easily. The girlfriend loves to use it for a handy blanket, her heated vest, I keep a zip up folder in the front one with maps, insurance docs, gloves.
Some boxes like the trailer tongue box I bought, are a good fit in the Z's generous bed. I carry all kinds of stuff in mine, such as the flat kit I dug out last ride I was on, when I got a puncture in a back tire.  I keep all my tire stuff in a squared plastic dog biscuit box I've cut down to about 10 inches high. Vulcanizing cement, tools, plugs, spray bottle of soapy water, 12 v electric pump. I had the puncture repaired in about 10 minutes and back on the road again.
(Carrying theme stuff in those plastic squared boxes is handy because it's not only all together but if anything leaks it won't contaminate anything except what's in that particular box. :) )
The driver side mirror I busted off on the other hand, didn't take the repair. Even Q bond didn't stick to the plastic of the mirror case.

Tips, ah yes. :) The CFM Trail has remarkable stability in off camber situations. I was amazed, actually. But avoid sudden hard turns or trying to crop a 'nut on gravel. More people flopped their ride doing that than enough.
I read on another forum about where someone had a minutes old machine and the wife got in, turned the wheel hard, gave it a lot of throttle, and it fell over on its side. He concluded that the machine was unstable.  :o
I have had mine at some rear clenching angles while following a buddy on a disused water eroded road that he thought led somewhere (turns out it didn't) and it stood for it very well. I believe it is a lot more stable against tipping over than an equivalent ATV. The center of gravity, including occupants, is lower after all. Had the lady tried the full lock hard throttle turn on an ATV it would have had the same result, except that without a ROPS she might have gotten hurt.

Expect to have a ton of fun on that machine.  8)




For a nation to believe it can tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and believing he can raise himself by pulling on the handle - Winston Churchill

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Offline cr2crf

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2018, 11:07:11 PM »
I carry all kinds of stuff in mine, such as the flat kit I dug out last ride I was on, when I got a puncture in a back tire.  I keep all my tire stuff in a squared plastic dog biscuit box I've cut down to about 10 inches high. Vulcanizing cement, tools, plugs, spray bottle of soapy water, 12 v electric pump. I had the puncture repaired in about 10 minutes and back on the road again.

Thanks for the generous input.  Any chance I can get you to take a pic of your storage setup?  Particularly the tire repair stuff.

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2018, 06:53:46 AM »
I had a caliper bolt come out, jammed the caliper into the wheel and broken the caliper bracket and wheel 2nd ride

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Offline doug80638

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2018, 08:20:57 AM »

Someone told me that story up in Berlin two weeks ago. Blew a hole in the rim when the caliper jammed against it.

I wonder if that was you?
2017 Zforce 800 - Red
SuperATV Flip windshield
Tusk soft rear window
Uni-Filter foam air filter
Bandit springs

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Which Mod First
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2018, 10:02:27 AM »

Someone told me that story up in Berlin two weeks ago. Blew a hole in the rim when the caliper jammed against it.

I wonder if that was you?
It was not me, This happened to me when I first got it October 2016