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Offline Hrc630

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2017, 03:38:10 PM »
Chuddly, where have you see that.
I have more than 1500 miles with my race kit and total 3000 miles on the machine with the same belt and the belt are like new...

ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
Honda TRX450r front shocks
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

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Online NMKawierider

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2017, 03:51:40 PM »
NMKawirider, you are absolutely wrong on that. I have the race kit and i have test many setting.
The best result are to live the secondary to stock position.
The race kit make the ZForce a lot stronger than just clocking the secondary and with the stock set up on the secondary the engine jump to 7100 rpm on start and slowly climb ton 7600 rpm.
Just perfect!
If you clock the secondary you will it the cut off of 7750 rpm on start.

The race kit is a LOT more agressive and the best is it make the engine very free reving. The engine climb in rpm just as fast as a motocross type engine. A LOT less weight in rotation.

Its by far the best mod for the Z...
You can run with every sxs on a tight trail.
Good to know. Thanks! Just assumed you would need to do something with the secondary.
2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS
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Offline chuddly

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2017, 03:56:36 PM »
Chuddly, where have you see that.
I have more than 1500 miles with my race kit and total 3000 miles on the machine with the same belt and the belt are like new...
Couple guys here in the states have talked to me about it.  I have heard of cases like yours but also cases of extreme belt failures only after it was installed.  I cant say its proven good in my mind yet.
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Online NMKawierider

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2017, 04:05:23 PM »
Well..most of the rest that use a belt don't use a wet clutch setup and have had pretty good track records. But they were designed with what they have too. I seem to remember someone that did this conversion having some kind of issue...but can't remember if it was with the belt or the install. I will say my Brute has no wet clutch and has never left me walking but..it has shredded several belts over the years.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 04:10:18 PM by NMKawierider »
2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage |7- 9.7" GPS Systems | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front | Cage Chop Mod

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Offline Hrc630

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2017, 04:43:10 PM »
I dont think they are a lot of ZForce in the us with The race kit since its a Canadian kit and i dont know an other member here with it... Also i have made the Power Commander mapping for many rider here because the programmation in the kit are too lean.

I have spoke a LOT with the guy than have develop the kit and this kit is in The race CF Team for a very long time with no failure.

Also the clutching have smoother engagements. Its strange but true...
Just better everywhere...
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
Honda TRX450r front shocks
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2017, 05:15:21 PM »
I cannot see how the wet clutch delete would be better for things like slow riding and rival crawling type driving.  Racing i can see.  Slow moving i don't think it's a good mod to do too much belt slippage and wet clutch would be better overall. My type of riding I'll stick with wet clutch.

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Offline Hrc630

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2017, 07:11:42 PM »
I can assure you that the engagement is smooter with the race kit. Its like a RZR. No strange noise or "Clunk" when moving in very slow or technical trail.
The majority of sxs model dont use wet clutch and all are very good crawler. 
Also, the wet clutch is very limited in size for the weight and Power of that machine.
A lot more failure with a wet clutch if you drive your machine hard. The new Wildcat 1000 and CF 1000 have abandoned the wet clutch...

Anyway its just my 2 cent but for me, just the free reving and much stronger engine worth the price .
The better slow drivability and the lack of strange noise from the clutch is a bonus!
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 07:25:35 PM by Hrc630 »
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
Honda TRX450r front shocks
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2017, 07:23:45 PM »
I can assure you that the engagement is smooter with the race kit. Its like a RZR. No strange noise or "Clunk" when moving in very slow or technical trail.
I don't doubt that is it smoother.  But there is more belt slippage than with the wet clutch,  wet clutch will win longevity for your belt and lower belt temps in crawling situations and no worry of the hourglassed belt.  I can be pretty smooth crawling as well after its broken in and I'm used to it.

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2017, 06:17:02 AM »
NMKawirider, you are absolutely wrong on that. I have the race kit and i have test many setting.
The best result are to live the secondary to stock position.
The race kit make the ZForce a lot stronger than just clocking the secondary and with the stock set up on the secondary the engine jump to 7100 rpm on start and slowly climb ton 7600 rpm.
Just perfect!
If you clock the secondary you will it the cut off of 7750 rpm on start.

The race kit is a LOT more agressive and the best is it make the engine very free reving. The engine climb in rpm just as fast as a motocross type engine. A LOT less weight in rotation.

Its by far the best mod for the Z...
You can run with every sxs on a tight trail.
The Engine on these stock says it makes peak HP at 6700 RPM. Sounds like you are over revving right from the start here.

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Offline Hrc630

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2017, 06:49:37 AM »
No, i have the complete race kit with exhaust and Power Commander . The engine pull hard to the redline. I have try with more weight to stay the rpm lower but the best result seem to be like i run now. 7100 rpm is really in the sweet spot. Also the power is right now, no delay.
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
Honda TRX450r front shocks
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2017, 07:27:31 AM »
No, i have the complete race kit with exhaust and Power Commander . The engine pull hard to the redline. I have try with more weight to stay the rpm lower but the best result seem to be like i run now. 7100 rpm is really in the sweet spot. Also the power is right now, no delay.
I see, I didn't know you had other mods as well. Sounds like a nice set up for sand and racing. The way I ride it wouldn't be useful to me. Most of my time riding is spent under 20mph blazing new paths through the woods, or creeping around rocks and streams. I like the lower rpm engagement and not worrying about clutch slippage at the low speeds.
So to the point of the original post, I would say if you are all about going fast and trying to keep up with your buddies and you all go out and race around pedal to the floor it might be what you want.  If you spend more time slow moving rock crawling, I wouldn't do it.

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Offline Hrc630

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2017, 10:55:27 AM »
You are right on that. For your type of riding the race kit don't worth the $$$.
The only thing i don't take is the belt slippage. No more slipage  on the low speed than stock and it smoother without the clunk noise from the clutch.

Today I will try to make a video of very slow riding to show you how it work.
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
Honda TRX450r front shocks
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

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Online NMKawierider

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2017, 10:59:34 AM »
You are right on that. For your type of riding the race kit don't worth the $$$.
The only thing i don't take is the belt slippage. No more slipage  on the low speed than stock and it smoother without the clunk noise from the clutch.

Today I will try to make a video of very slow riding to show you how it work.
Man that "Clunk" noise is sure something I could live without...sounds like something is breaking every time...
2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage |7- 9.7" GPS Systems | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front | Cage Chop Mod

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2017, 02:51:19 PM »
May be no clunk,  but physically there is more slipping on that style clutch its just the way it works.  You may not feel it.  Crawling rocks you will slip the belt on that style before ido on a wet set up

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Offline Slazz127

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2017, 09:36:30 AM »
Update on cf.. rode this weekend didn't get a chance to go to b2 setting but  seemed to run much better I kinda wonder if maybe it was still breaking in had 40 some miles on it (easy) did run it a little harder have 97 on it now feel much better about it now..
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