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Offline Slazz127

Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« on: April 19, 2017, 03:57:07 PM »
Well finally got some seat time in my 17 zforce 800ex..not overly impressed with power I asked for info on clocking clutch and and was told to try  c1  due to the fact of stock machine and tire size.I have not yet done this yet may do it this weekend .I really hope this helps it's like riding a high priced lawn mower power is nothing at all what I expected.maybe I should have drove the test buggy a little harder and longer.any input on this clutch adjustment does it really help that much? Or am I asking to much out of the cf?
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Offline Z8rider

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2017, 04:30:13 PM »
What are you comparing it to? Maybe the machine has an issue?

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2017, 04:50:35 PM »
Yeah, what are you comparing it to? It runs as well or better then any other 800cc SxS. In the stock setting mine beat the pants off my friend's 800 RzR and now..well, it worries the 900 RzR owners a little. But I will agree that the stock setting of B1 makes it feel a little like the family station wagon. Tell them to go to B2 instead of C1. Let's smack the bell and go for the max. It will be a different animal..I promise.   
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Offline Slazz127

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2017, 05:17:47 PM »
I was riding with can am commander 800xt and a 1000xt.they both seemed way quicker  to get up to speed..I really think I expected way to much..don't get me wrong I do like the looks of the cf the build quality is good it's no can am but it's also 4k less but power was just not what I thought it would be..does b2 cut down a lot on top I haven't run it to see what top is yet but I hear people saying they are getting 70 out of the cf I can't  see that happening  in stock form unless it's on a trailer being towed at 70.I may try c1 first see what happens..
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Offline Slazz127

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2017, 05:24:31 PM »
And what's the fix on The heavy brake pedal. They do stop well but just heavy pressure needed to push down.
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2017, 05:25:27 PM »
I was riding with can am commander 800xt and a 1000xt.they both seemed way quicker  to get up to speed..I really think I expected way to much..don't get me wrong I do like the looks of the cf the build quality is good it's no can am but it's also 4k less but power was just not what I thought it would be..does b2 cut down a lot on top I haven't run it to see what top is yet but I hear people saying they are getting 70 out of the cf I can't  see that happening  in stock form unless it's on a trailer being towed at 70.I may try c1 first see what happens..
Go to B2 now....seriously. You won't loose any top end as long as you keep the 25 gram rollers....and you should kick the 800 C/A's azz...not the 1000 though..sorry. But he won't leave you in the dust.
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2017, 05:28:51 PM »
And what's the fix on The heavy brake pedal. They do stop well but just heavy pressure needed to push down.
They get better as they brake-in but the factory pads are low-grade and don't provide the best friction so the fix is a set of either EBCs or their upgraded pads. I did the EBCs. Also many have found air in the system and a good bleed makes a big difference. 
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Offline Slazz127

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2017, 06:22:20 PM »
Does it have the 25gr in it now?you feel that would be the best to start with is b2?top end is not my big concern. Don't get me wrong I would love to know that I could get 70 out of it but I  can't use that in the woods anywhere..I want it to pull hard when i hit the fun pedal and I want it to b able to lug down also..
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Offline bezerk1

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2017, 06:23:33 PM »
The Z8 will run with a RZR 8-900 all day without any issues.  I switched my pads over EBC's and it did improve the braking quite a bit.  I did not switch the clutch spring yet.  I feel like my Z8 needs a more aggressive back shift.  Just remember 99 percent of your riding will probably not be at wide open throttle.  I bet my average speed on any given ride is probably about 20MPH.  That is where you need to make your machine work its best. 

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2017, 06:53:03 PM »
Does it have the 25gr in it now?you feel that would be the best to start with is b2?top end is not my big concern. Don't get me wrong I would love to know that I could get 70 out of it but I  can't use that in the woods anywhere..I want it to pull hard when i hit the fun pedal and I want it to b able to lug down also..
Yes, you have the 25 gram rollers in it now...and no, most of these actually don't do 70+ but many do 65-68. Even mine on A2 and 22 gram sliders will still do 64...and I'm at 5400 feet. And like bezerk1 says...most times you will be at 20...and only sometimes 40 is as fast as you will ever get to....leave 50+ to the road vehicles. Do the B2..your "fun pedal" is there and waiting. :)

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Offline Slazz127

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2017, 07:25:17 PM »
Yeah I think I will go to b2..yes we do mostly woods riding  but it just seemed that the can ams came out of corners harder climed hills better.I  want low end grunt without taking away what top it will give me now..like I say I had this for a few months this last weekend was the first ride( other than around my property )that I rode with other buggies and wasn't real happy.hope the b2 setting can change that..
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2017, 07:35:21 PM »
Yeah I think I will go to b2..yes we do mostly woods riding  but it just seemed that the can ams came out of corners harder climed hills better.I  want low end grunt without taking away what top it will give me now..like I say I had this for a few months this last weekend was the first ride( other than around my property )that I rode with other buggies and wasn't real happy.hope the b2 setting can change that..
The factory sets them at B1 because it only allows them to develop a hair over half their power...saves on warranty work...lol.
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Offline Slazz127

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 08:28:15 PM »
I can understand that I guess lol..I will figure out a spanner tool and do the b2 adjustment and post my findings.. Thanks all for the info.I hope it does not sound like I'm bashing this machine I'm not..I think I was expecting more than I should have I woods raced bikes for a few years and still have a kx250f I ride and they have gobs of low end grunt they are two different machines I know but the way the can ams were running made me feel way under powered in the cf..but I will see how this works..
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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2017, 07:27:01 AM »
B2 will make a big diff for acceleration.  Just curious, did you do any break in before going riding with your friends?  By the way I just clocked mine to B2, I didn't have to make any tools to hold the clutches. The primary had 4 holes, you can pick 2 holes and stick two long bolts in them than hold it in place with a bar while you torque it. The secondary was a bit harder but I ended up using a long bar grabbed an outer fin at a right angle and put a block of wood under the bar to hold that in place. Both the buts came off with the impact so I didn't have to hold anything on removal.
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Offline chuddly

Re: Not sure if cfmoto was best option.
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2017, 07:59:41 AM »
Everyone has covered pretty much everything you asked but I will chime in.  If you expect the CFM to run with a 1k of any kind they you will be disappointed every time.  They just are not going to do it.  You cant give up 1/5th the displacement and expect to not loose HP.  As far as 800's go the CF is about the strongest motor out there.  I think what you are feeling is the soft backshift issue (I also have that gripe).  The symptoms are when your are rolling at say 10-15mph (or higher) and you stand on the gas (like coming out of a corner or approaching a hill to climb) the RPMs dont feel like they rise enough and the motor feels like it lugs down low a bit to much.  Clocking the spring helps most people but there are a select few (myself included) where the soft backshift remains.  Im working on a fix for that but have not got it sorted yet.  You may FEEL slower than other things but trust me if its running right you are not.  I race mine and I ran as fast or faster lap times than the other 800's and even knocking on the door of 900 lap times.  Is there room for improvement on the machine? Yes.  Is is a good machine out of the box.  Yes.  All in all it more than holds it own with what is out there on the market right now.
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