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Ok so I clocked to c1 when I had my summer tires on 29s
Now I'm running 30 cryptids with studs for the winter an in low still power for days
But in high it's a struggle
To get past 5500 rpm's it will hold that up a hill all day an on the flats will creep over 6k

My thought is new spring
An lighter weights think 18g an  reclock to b2

Any recommendations on spring  an weights ?
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With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.
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Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.

So try a 200/600 spring an a2 to start ?

I also order 18g weights an
A 200/1600 spring 
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Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.

So try a 200/600 spring an a2 to start ?

I also order 18g weights an
A 200/1600 spring 

If the 18g weights are lighter then the OEs then stick with B2. If heavier, then try A2.
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Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 07:13:55 PM
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With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.

So try a 200/600 spring an a2 to start ?

I also order 18g weights an
A 200/1600 spring 

If the 18g weights are lighter then the OEs then stick with B2. If heavier, then try A2.

Stock weights should be 20g

So I'll try the b2
With the 200/600 spring
18g weights an go from there should have it all around the 18th this month
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Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.

So try a 200/600 spring an a2 to start ?

I also order 18g weights an
A 200/1600 spring 

If the 18g weights are lighter then the OEs then stick with B2. If heavier, then try A2.

Stock weights should be 20g

So I'll try the b2
With the 200/600 spring
18g weights an go from there should have it all around the 18th this month

I'll be interested to see how that works out. After we get a break from the cold and snow, I'm going to put the stock 20g weights back in, keep the shorter/stiffer aftermarket spring and keep the secondary clocked to B2 to see how it runs.
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Quote from: Bleeb on January 17, 2022, 08:31:52 AM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.

So try a 200/600 spring an a2 to start ?

I also order 18g weights an
A 200/1600 spring 

If the 18g weights are lighter then the OEs then stick with B2. If heavier, then try A2.

Stock weights should be 20g

So I'll try the b2
With the 200/600 spring
18g weights an go from there should have it all around the 18th this month

I'll be interested to see how that works out. After we get a break from the cold and snow, I'm going to put the stock 20g weights back in, keep the shorter/stiffer aftermarket spring and keep the secondary clocked to B2 to see how it runs.

Why you you going to put the 20g  back in ?
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Ok so 200/1600 spring
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18g weights
Cost was 90$ Canadian to the door
An clocked to b2
Engagement is at 2200 ish but soooooo smooth
It's icy as shit here but the dry patches I can punch it an get pushed back in the seat lol
Running 6500-7000 rpm at wot
On short bursts

Now I have 30" tires cryptids with studs an a full cab so the tire weight alone is like a all terrain 32 an the full cab adds resistance as well

But if you run some mud snow an don't mind topping out at 80kms ish this is the set up
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To me that seems perfect.
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Ya I'll run this all winter an see
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Quote from: Lazydayz on January 17, 2022, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: Bleeb on January 17, 2022, 08:31:52 AM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.

So try a 200/600 spring an a2 to start ?

I also order 18g weights an
A 200/1600 spring 

If the 18g weights are lighter then the OEs then stick with B2. If heavier, then try A2.

Stock weights should be 20g

So I'll try the b2
With the 200/600 spring
18g weights an go from there should have it all around the 18th this month

I'll be interested to see how that works out. After we get a break from the cold and snow, I'm going to put the stock 20g weights back in, keep the shorter/stiffer aftermarket spring and keep the secondary clocked to B2 to see how it runs.

Why you you going to put the 20g  back in ?

Because I'm running 75-7600 rpm at WOT, which is beyond peak HP (7000rpm) and peak torque (6200 rpm).
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Quote from: Bleeb on January 21, 2022, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 17, 2022, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: Bleeb on January 17, 2022, 08:31:52 AM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.

So try a 200/600 spring an a2 to start ?

I also order 18g weights an
A 200/1600 spring 

If the 18g weights are lighter then the OEs then stick with B2. If heavier, then try A2.

Stock weights should be 20g

So I'll try the b2
With the 200/600 spring
18g weights an go from there should have it all around the 18th this month

I'll be interested to see how that works out. After we get a break from the cold and snow, I'm going to put the stock 20g weights back in, keep the shorter/stiffer aftermarket spring and keep the secondary clocked to B2 to see how it runs.

Why you you going to put the 20g  back in ?

Because I'm running 75-7600 rpm at WOT, which is beyond peak HP (7000rpm) and peak torque (6200 rpm).
Yeah you want to stay at or just under it...never over it during shiftout. After full shift-out it will climb to.. and then past it easy enough.
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Quote from: Bleeb on January 21, 2022, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 17, 2022, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: Bleeb on January 17, 2022, 08:31:52 AM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.

So try a 200/600 spring an a2 to start ?

I also order 18g weights an
A 200/1600 spring 

If the 18g weights are lighter then the OEs then stick with B2. If heavier, then try A2.

Stock weights should be 20g

So I'll try the b2
With the 200/600 spring
18g weights an go from there should have it all around the 18th this month

I'll be interested to see how that works out. After we get a break from the cold and snow, I'm going to put the stock 20g weights back in, keep the shorter/stiffer aftermarket spring and keep the secondary clocked to B2 to see how it runs.

Why you you going to put the 20g  back in ?

Because I'm running 75-7600 rpm at WOT, which is beyond peak HP (7000rpm) and peak torque (6200 rpm).

That was kind my thought on why

When you pull your weight see if you can see the number on the spring there my be one it's really small an a faded yellow color
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Quote from: Lazydayz on January 21, 2022, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Bleeb on January 21, 2022, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 17, 2022, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: Bleeb on January 17, 2022, 08:31:52 AM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Lazydayz on January 10, 2022, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: NMKawierider on January 10, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
With a 1000 and over 28" tires I don't think you should have gone below B2...C1 would have been better then B1 but the load to torque is wrong. I think you need to be on B2 with the 29s and now.. A2..maybe C2 at the most for 30s and snow driving. B3 IMO is pushing it..too far for the UF. I think I would leave the weights alone for now and if I didn't like the stall, go with a spring with a lighter low number but keep as close to the high number as possible.

So try a 200/600 spring an a2 to start ?

I also order 18g weights an
A 200/1600 spring 

If the 18g weights are lighter then the OEs then stick with B2. If heavier, then try A2.

Stock weights should be 20g

So I'll try the b2
With the 200/600 spring
18g weights an go from there should have it all around the 18th this month

I'll be interested to see how that works out. After we get a break from the cold and snow, I'm going to put the stock 20g weights back in, keep the shorter/stiffer aftermarket spring and keep the secondary clocked to B2 to see how it runs.

Why you you going to put the 20g  back in ?

Because I'm running 75-7600 rpm at WOT, which is beyond peak HP (7000rpm) and peak torque (6200 rpm).

That was kind my thought on why

When you pull your weight see if you can see the number on the spring there my be one it's really small an a faded yellow color
Yup. Will do
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