put that new impact on it. You will be done in no time.

i also went up with tire size loss of power on take off , i went with 22 gram weights after talking with venom  tech , try the 22 gram weights , gave me a bit more power on takeoff , but what did you do to secondary cluthc spring to help with lag of bigger tires , i am still not back where my moto was at stock , trying to get the most i can , can you give me any specific setting for the secondary spring you used   thanks

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

put that new impact on it. You will be done in no time.

i also went up with tire size loss of power on take off , i went with 22 gram weights after talking with venom  tech , try the 22 gram weights , gave me a bit more power on takeoff , but what did you do to secondary cluthc spring to help with lag of bigger tires , i am still not back where my moto was at stock , trying to get the most i can , can you give me any specific setting for the secondary spring you used   thanks

I have run with the 22g sliders and the secondary in the B2 position and its a wicked MoFo. However, general riding in high range the RPMs are in the upper 4K - mid 5K range and that's just a bit much for 90% of what I do.. so I am going down a bit on the secondary to the C1 position which is just a little less the B2. I think the A1 is too close to the B1 position and won't fully overcome the heavier tires. With the 25G or 24G rollers, the B2 is probably perfect but with the 22g sliders with 27/28" tires, I think it needs to be the C1 or A1 position.

So why not just go back to stock with B2 setting?

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

So why not just go back to stock with B2 setting?

Well, research says for my altitude, loads and conditions, the 22s or 23s are what I need and believe it still. Also paid over 80 bucks for the sliders and want to give them every chance possible. And I actually like the way the 22s act and react under my riding conditions. Secondarys have to be adjusted for additional loads, I just need to find the spot right for me. Just a hair less resistance should do it. Besides... I'm a tuner. I like to zero-in on things...lol

So why not just go back to stock with B2 setting?

i do a lot of trail/ mud hole diving ; just wanted ther extra hight in tire size for rocks and logs ect, , want a bigger lift but as of now they do not have anythging bigger than a 2 inch lift , i could go with some bracketts i made for shock but that puts me in a binding position with no travel left on my shock , long story short , i like the 28 big horns on my moto , but they have slowed my take off and top end , just want to get settings right as to not kill my moto in  the and to try to get that power back my moto had from stock with the 26 inch tires any help would be great , i have clutch out and had already set at B2 setting , but now i read about C1 setting ,   not sure witch setting to go with , i do want power from start and through the whole power band like factory , or as much as i can , 

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

So why not just go back to stock with B2 setting?

i do a lot of trail/ mud hole diving ; just wanted ther extra hight in tire size for rocks and logs ect, , want a bigger lift but as of now they do not have anythging bigger than a 2 inch lift , i could go with some bracketts i made for shock but that puts me in a binding position with no travel left on my shock , long story short , i like the 28 big horns on my moto , but they have slowed my take off and top end , just want to get settings right as to not kill my moto in  the and to try to get that power back my moto had from stock with the 26 inch tires any help would be great , i have clutch out and had already set at B2 setting , but now i read about C1 setting ,   not sure witch setting to go with , i do want power from start and through the whole power band like factory , or as much as i can , 

For the 28s I suggest the B2 setting with the 25gram stock rollers or sliders. A little higher RPM (about 400) and quicker back-shift can be got with the 24gram sliders but I wouldn't go lighter then that for what you need. I needed something different because where I am and what I do so I need a different setting.

So why not just go back to stock with B2 setting?

i do a lot of trail/ mud hole diving ; just wanted ther extra hight in tire size for rocks and logs ect, , want a bigger lift but as of now they do not have anythging bigger than a 2 inch lift , i could go with some bracketts i made for shock but that puts me in a binding position with no travel left on my shock , long story short , i like the 28 big horns on my moto , but they have slowed my take off and top end , just want to get settings right as to not kill my moto in  the and to try to get that power back my moto had from stock with the 26 inch tires any help would be great , i have clutch out and had already set at B2 setting , but now i read about C1 setting ,   not sure witch setting to go with , i do want power from start and through the whole power band like factory , or as much as i can , 

For the 28s I suggest the B2 setting with the 25gram stock rollers or sliders. A little higher RPM (about 400) and quicker back-shift can be got with the 24gram sliders but I wouldn't go lighter then that for what you need. I needed something different because where I am and what I do so I need a different setting.

ok i just compleated the B2 setting on clutch , it was not as bad as i thought , my clutch came off perfect with a 260 ft pound impact with just a shout base 36mm i found my nut was a bit of corosion around it so i put just a small amount of gold never siez on just the nut and a spot of lock tight on threads for install , i have the 22 gram weights dr pully installed already and they seemed to give me a better take off with out the B2 mod , so i will try the 22 gram setting since they are already instaled , the trails we ride have steep hils also so i want that extra throtel responce , but i will also take your advice and try next ride with stock rollers , thanks for the info ,anything else you have to offer for performance would be greatly accepted

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

ok i just compleated the B2 setting on clutch , it was not as bad as i thought , my clutch came off perfect with a 260 ft pound impact with just a shout base 36mm i found my nut was a bit of corosion around it so i put just a small amount of gold never siez on just the nut and a spot of lock tight on threads for install , i have the 22 gram weights dr pully installed already and they seemed to give me a better take off with out the B2 mod , so i will try the 22 gram setting since they are already instaled , the trails we ride have steep hils also so i want that extra throtel responce , but i will also take your advice and try next ride with stock rollers , thanks for the info ,anything else you have to offer for performance would be greatly accepted

I still have my 22s in with the B2 and I actually love it for the hills. It very well puts you on the high-side of the torque and power curb at the start then sets right in the saddle and holds at about 6300 rpm for the full pull. So, yeah for steep hill climbs its the cat's azz. And tight trails...snaps the back end loose.. I mean right now.

ok i just compleated the B2 setting on clutch , it was not as bad as i thought , my clutch came off perfect with a 260 ft pound impact with just a shout base 36mm i found my nut was a bit of corosion around it so i put just a small amount of gold never siez on just the nut and a spot of lock tight on threads for install , i have the 22 gram weights dr pully installed already and they seemed to give me a better take off with out the B2 mod , so i will try the 22 gram setting since they are already instaled , the trails we ride have steep hils also so i want that extra throtel responce , but i will also take your advice and try next ride with stock rollers , thanks for the info ,anything else you have to offer for performance would be greatly accepted

I still have my 22s in with the B2 and I actually love it for the hills. It very well puts you on the high-side of the torque and power curb at the start then sets right in the saddle and holds at about 6300 rpm for the full pull. So, yeah for steep hill climbs its the cat's azz. And tight trails...snaps the back end loose.. I mean right now.

thanks for all the help , putting back together now ,  will let you no how all works out , again thanks again for all ithe info ,

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

Got mine apart and set it back down to C1. Hopefully this is the last time apart for a while. I also see the exhaust springs for the front cylinder are not as they should be either. Barely stretched like the ones off the muffler. I see I can shorten them so that's what I'll try. I have Moose racing springs coming for the other one but don't really want to spend another 26-bucks again.

@NMKawirider, When you get the springs in, can you do a quick post

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

@NMKawirider, When you get the springs in, can you do a quick post

Sure can.

So can I ask what a good overall setting for both slider weights and spring is? Looking to tune mine in when the new motor comes in tomorrow. Figure its best to set the clutches while the engine is sitting on the ground instead of in the machine.

I'm running stock tires/wheel but have the exhaust, uni filter, and DnyoJet stuff.

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

So can I ask what a good overall setting for both slider weights and spring is? Looking to tune mine in when the new motor comes in tomorrow. Figure its best to set the clutches while the engine is sitting on the ground instead of in the machine.

I'm running stock tires/wheel but have the exhaust, uni filter, and DnyoJet stuff.

Learned a little along this new trail and I do like these clutches so far. If you are below 3900 feet with the stock tires you won't need as much as we do here ate 5400+. Jogon30, who lives here too, just set his to the B2 position with the 25g rollers and loves it. He has the stock tires on it still. He also has a set of 24g sliders he might try. I like the way the sliders work over the rollers. For me, even with the heavier 27" 8-ply tires with the 22g sliders the B2 position was just a hair overkill so one notch down to the C1 it came. That should be perfect here - but for you...if you are below 3900 feet with what you have I think you will be very happy with 25gram sliders or rollers and the B2 position. If for your riding style it feels too much, then you can always drop to C1 or A1.

I have a question about the sliders. I know they are supposed to increase your top end. Do they change your bottom end any. I don't want anything that will increase my starting ratio. I need it as low as possible for mud tires and the rough terrain around here.