[cfmotoz8002015]

Super atv is saying that the ex and non ex are the same part.  I called them and talked to one of their techs. They built the part to fit. It's the ex and non ex.
It isn't changing the length of the a arms. It's dropping just the bottoms. Just like rodins.
The axle drops down a little bit but does change the leght of the axle. Same with shock. Shock mounts to upper a Arm not the lower. The big geometry change is the lower a Arm which bends at the end. That's what allows the lift. 
This is what I'm told anyways I have asked if the item doesn't fit can I return which they said is possible.
I'll let you all know what I find when they get here.


Cheers

[REDRIDER]

I just looked up the high clearance A-Arms. While they are correct in saying they don't change the lenth of the a-arms from stock that is true for the EX... IF you measure an EX aarm and a trail Aarm they are not the same lenth they cannot fit... I don't think that they are realizing the trail is 50 inches and the ex is 60... It's simply not possible to have the same frame, which the trail and EX do and add A-arms that will fit a 60 inch wide unit and keep it 60 inches wide because they don't change the lenth as you said and for the same aarms and frame to then fit on a 50 or 53inch wide unit and not change the width.  I don't think they are realizing you have a 53 inch machine or don't realize they the ex and trail are two different widths. If you buy them and they fit and work then what they have pictured on thier site is not the part they are selling. The only thing that would git is if they are selling some sort of control arm drop bracket but that wouldn't be $300/piece

[REDRIDER]

I just did a quick measurement on my EX control arms. The front control arm measures about 17 inched from the inside of the castle nut on the ball joint to the inside of the tube where the bolt mounts through.  The rear measures just under 17 inches from end to end on measuring the overall length of the rear section. So if they don't change the lenth of the A-Arm measure your trail a-arms and tell me if they will fit without having to have a longer axle and tie rod ends at the very least.

[cfmotoz8002015]

What would you recommend for a non ex machine to lift? The Smithfield states its for a ex.
Swapping to a ex isn't a option. I have way to much into this machine now and just worked out the quirks.
Will the Smithfield 3" lift work for a non ex?

Looking to lift only cause I bottom out everywheres I go.

Does the forum offer a discount to Smithfield?

[REDRIDER]

What would you recommend for a non ex machine to lift? The Smithfield states its for a ex.
Swapping to a ex isn't a option. I have way to much into this machine now and just worked out the quirks.
Will the Smithfield 3" lift work for a non ex?

Looking to lift only cause I bottom out everywheres I go.

Does the forum offer a discount to Smithfield?

On a Non EX I would recommend going bigger on tires and not lifting it at all really. If you can fit 29's without a lift that will give you an extra  1.5" of clearance If they will fit, I don't have one so I'm not sure. NMK might be able to help you more there. If they don't then I would go with a MAX of 2 inch lift, or mix 28 inch tires with a 1" lift.

[REDRIDER]

Damn man that sucks what a horrible dealer that's criminal.  If your paperwork said EX i would have taken them to court

[Herman80]

All the paperwork but the copy of the title!yea I was highly aggravated! Horrible dealer and I even told them I haven't even started it and they wouldn't make it right! It is what it is tho they screwed me and I knew I was stuck with it even if I carried it straight to a dealer then I would have probably lost a thousand dollars!there not going to give you full price plus another 800 in sales taxes! Then the dealer closer to me (were I called first but they didn't have the color I wanted) I asked them about doing warranty work on this one and they told me they wouldn't because I didn't purchase it there! Dealers like these give the brand a bad name!

[REDRIDER]

All the paperwork but the copy of the title!yea I was highly aggravated! Horrible dealer and I even told them I haven't even started it and they wouldn't make it right! It is what it is tho they screwed me and I knew I was stuck with it even if I carried it straight to a dealer then I would have probably lost a thousand dollars!there not going to give you full price plus another 800 in sales taxes! Then the dealer closer to me (were I called first but they didn't have the color I wanted) I asked them about doing warranty work on this one and they told me they wouldn't because I didn't purchase it there! Dealers like these give the brand a bad name!

Yup both those dealers are pricks. Blast them on some reviews on the internet and their facebook page.

[Sockman]

EX is going to run probably 13 or 13.5 when you include sales tax and dealer prep!

I paid MSRP, that was out the door including all tax and dealer prep, on a '17 this January.  Find the right dealer, and negotiate.

[REDRIDER]

I can measure later today when I get home, but I am pretty sure they have a lot longer of a travel which will run you into issue using them with longer aarms if you mount them closer to the end of the arm like the EX

[Herman80]

Thanks I just want an idea! I kinda wana do thiS conversion for all the trail guys who wana know lol!

[chuddly]

Oh it can be done for sure.  No doubt in my mind.  It will be a pretty simple conversion all in all also.  But it will cost a ton and you would be better off buying the EX machine.  Its kind of like saying "I want to see if I will die if I jump off this building".  We all know what the outcome is going to be...and the cost will be way more than you wanted to pay.  Its an exercise in futility.


Edit: I want to add a couple things.  First off...your money and your time so do what you want.  Second I am all for doing something different to my machine even if people say it cant be done.  But my point in my above comments is that you are not doing something different.  You are just trying to find a different path to the same destination.  That destination is having a lifted EX machine.  So if you want a lifted EX then why not start with an EX and be money ahead.  I have seen projects like this before and I can tell you where it will end up.  You (hopefully) finish the conversion but then you become very tired of switching back and forth between the trail set up and the EX set up so you leave it one way or the other and tell yourself you can sell the parts and come out even in the end.  The reality is you will either let the parts sit on the shelf in your garage or sell them for near nothing because lets be honest....when is the last time someone was on here looking for A arms one of these machines?  I race mine and have not even come close to bending an A arm.  You may sell the axles but even they are strong from the factory and what is a used axle worth? 

Dont take my lack of backing and enthusiasm as the final word or anything.  But just doing something because it hasnt been done doesnt mean that it should be done that way.

[chuddly]

The shocks wont work.  Different length and different valving.  The tie rods (in the US anyway) have to be bought as an entire unit with inner, outer, and boot (those are about $120 each...i have bought a few...i know LOL).  Either way do what you want to do.   

[Herman80]

Well like I said due too horrible dealers ( and to try another dealer I'm going to have to drive a zillion miles and hope there not the same) it's a shot in the dark! I'm going to buy high clearance a arms either way if I have an ex or not! So starting with the machine I have that's less money I have to spend I want high clearance a arms( do I need them probably not but they look awesome! Okay now I need axles and brake lines and inner tie rods!Rhino axles at Super Atv $199 a piece! Inner tie rods ( haven't checked but say there 120 a piece) Okay so now we're at $1040 plus a little tax not including brake lines and my labor witch if anyone has ever owned a toy time sometimes can't be included! So saying I can fabricate a bracket to make the trail shocks work with the ex arms and let's just say brake lines are $100 bucks a piece that's $1440 bucks and that's not including the metal to make the brackets to make the shocks work witch I have access to metal and to make these brackets but say I don't let's just add a couple hundred bucks more to buy metal and bolts! $1640 bucks! Now to the obvious yes it's a little work and no I'm not doing something that hasn't already been done and if a good dealer was nearby and would give me a good deal! You dang right I would just go trade for one but not everyone has the dealer support near them and I have voiced why I don't just go get what I originally was buying ( yes should have went there and picked up myself my own dumba** mistake! But I have what I have and no I'm not going to go back and trade when it's all said and done I would have what a RZR cost and that was the whole reason for buying a CF moto ! $$$$$$ so I don't understand why everyone takes it so personal about converting a trail to an ex!

[Cosmosdan]

I don't think they are taking it personal. It might be there just looking out for your interests Wanted or not. Making sure you don't kick yourself later for doing it. You have put some thought into it and I do see where your coming from now. Let us know how it goes. I'm curious about this one.