u kids are talking about the side by sides the wolverine has a 47 hp engine and urs has 63. not even the same class machine.

No Kid here...38 year old tech with 20 years experience.

You are correct as the Wolverine isnt in the same hp league as the Z Force. So I will add in I also was quoted $12,050 OTD cash on a 2015 Arcic Cat Wildcat Sport Limited, that will spank the Z force all day, any Rzr800 or 900. And it has Elka Stage 5 shocks and Doors included.

The CF Moto warranty is useless to me as dealer network is non existent in my area. Its just not cost effective to drive 4 hrs round trip every time I have a issue. (which will happen) That being said, regardless of brand warranty is of no value to me as I never trust anybody to work on my stuff. Its just how I am, I care more about my stuff than anybody else ever will. And I trust when I fix stuff its done right.

The Arctic Cat Wildcat Sport does have some known issues, but they are much better designed from a service stand point. Belt change can be done trail side with a few simple tools. That and there clutch design is from a long standing history of high hp sleds. They will handle 60hp and 4 tires no issues when compared to a track and 100 plus HP on a sled.

I agree that I dont take my machines to dealers.  99% of the time i know WAY more than they do and their techs.  Thats my biggest complaint about all the comments on this forum/CF Moto's in general.  About the only answer you get is "take it back to the dealer under warranty".  Thats nice and all but what happens when its not under warranty?  What kind of machine is it when you cant take it back and they fix it for free?  Is it a troublesome and expensive machine to upkeep then?

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

I think in general what they are saying is that it would be to one's advantage to use the warranty while you have it. I picked mine up and never took it back..not once..had no reason to do so and now the warranty is well over. I might be one of the lucky ones but at least like you, I have some background in motorsport machines so it's not a big deal. And these are actually a very simple machine...that just needs some better quality parts in some areas.. and some better QC in others.

I think in general what they are saying is that it would be to one's advantage to use the warranty while you have it. I picked mine up and never took it back..not once..had no reason to do so and now the warranty is well over. I might be one of the lucky ones but at least like you, I have some background in motorsport machines so it's not a big deal. And these are actually a very simple machine...that just needs some better quality parts in some areas.. and some better QC in others.

I always watch your videos NMKawie, Surely you have logged in some miles to date. I think your machine is maintained like I would care for my own. I am kind of using your machine as a virtual benchmark. If yours doesnt hold up or has a large failure I am fairly certain no amount of care will prevent large component failures. How many miles have you logged so far?

Side Note, It is great to have a back and forth conversation with non-owners and current owners that doesnt turn into an internet argument! Thanks You all for providing good conversation!

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

I think in general what they are saying is that it would be to one's advantage to use the warranty while you have it. I picked mine up and never took it back..not once..had no reason to do so and now the warranty is well over. I might be one of the lucky ones but at least like you, I have some background in motorsport machines so it's not a big deal. And these are actually a very simple machine...that just needs some better quality parts in some areas.. and some better QC in others.

I always watch your videos NMKawie, Surely you have logged in some miles to date. I think your machine is maintained like I would care for my own. I am kind of using your machine as a virtual benchmark. If yours doesnt hold up or has a large failure I am fairly certain no amount of care will prevent large component failures. How many miles have you logged so far?

Side Note, It is great to have a back and forth conversation with non-owners and current owners that doesnt turn into an internet argument! Thanks You all for providing good conversation!

I'm only about 700 now but in a little bit I should be at.. or over 1000 after our trip in June.

u kids are talking about the side by sides the wolverine has a 47 hp engine and urs has 63. not even the same class machine.

No Kid here...38 year old tech with 20 years experience.

You are correct as the Wolverine isnt in the same hp league as the Z Force. So I will add in I also was quoted $12,050 OTD cash on a 2015 Arcic Cat Wildcat Sport Limited, that will spank the Z force all day, any Rzr800 or 900. And it has Elka Stage 5 shocks and Doors included.

The CF Moto warranty is useless to me as dealer network is non existent in my area. Its just not cost effective to drive 4 hrs round trip every time I have a issue. (which will happen) That being said, regardless of brand warranty is of no value to me as I never trust anybody to work on my stuff. Its just how I am, I care more about my stuff than anybody else ever will. And I trust when I fix stuff its done right.

The Arctic Cat Wildcat Sport does have some known issues, but they are much better designed from a service stand point. Belt change can be done trail side with a few simple tools. That and there clutch design is from a long standing history of high hp sleds. They will handle 60hp and 4 tires no issues when compared to a track and 100 plus HP on a sled.

That's a pretty incredible price for a Wildcat Sport. That bike new starts at 16K and that's before they rape you with taxes and freight and what not. I did notice on their site it says they are giving 3k rebates on 2015's right now. Did you take it home? If not, why not?

That's a pretty incredible price for a Wildcat Sport. That bike new starts at 16K and that's before they rape you with taxes and freight and what not. I did notice on their site it says they are giving 3k rebates on 2015's right now. Did you take it home? If not, why not?

It was the 2015 which qualified for the 3k off which is why the price is so good. That, and I am willing to drive for a deal.

The only reason I havent jumped on a new side by side is I am about to build a new garage/shop and wont have time to ride it much for the next few months. So I dont wanna buy a new buggy and have it sit thru the warranty period, just in case I do have a large failure within the first few mths of owning it.The 2016 Wildcat Sport Limited has an improved header and muffler that gained 5 more HP with a few minor revisions. So I am ok with waiting on a great deal for the 16 version.

I have a 2016 800ex eps
I paid $13k out the door. Tax, prep, and a 5 yr warranty.
My car ( way do people call them bikes?) came with a roof, side mirrors, trailer hitch, winch and front and rear bumper along with a cargo net.
My brother paid $16.5k OTD for his Polaris 900. He then paid $50 for a mirror and $200 for a roof. His $17k 900 has no winch, no bumpers, no locking front diff and has been in the shop for 2 weeks waiting for parts on a nation wide recall.
I have more car and 4K to spend on fun stuff

Let me guess, the nation wide recall for the eps? 
The Polaris dealer here said they are backed up 6 weeks now because of it.

Let me guess, the nation wide recall for the eps? 
The Polaris dealer here said they are backed up 6 weeks now because of it.

Something about catching fire...