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Offline buck180

z 800 will not start
« on: June 03, 2018, 07:58:35 AM »
Started right up dive for about a mile shut engine off hr later went to start and turns over fine but will not even fire fuel pump turn on checked all fuses and not sure what the problem is or what else to check any help would be appreciated

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2018, 08:30:55 AM »
When you turn the key just to the ON position, does the fuel pump come on, then after a few seconds pressure-up and shut off?
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Offline buck180

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2018, 09:21:07 AM »
yes fuel pump turn on

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2018, 09:44:10 AM »
yes fuel pump turn on
But does it also shut off on it's own? I also assume you have checked the kill-switch on the dash. Have you tries seceral different positions of the shifter as well as having your foot on the brake?
« Last Edit: June 03, 2018, 09:46:02 AM by NMKawierider »
2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage |7- 9.7" GPS Systems | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front | Cage Chop Mod

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline buck180

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2018, 08:02:16 PM »
Yes tried it all fuel pump is not the issue fused are not the issue either don't know as I was told maybe a relay well were do I find a starter relay manual says nothing about a rely ????????????????

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2018, 07:10:41 AM »
Well if the engine is turning over I don't think you are looking at a starter relay, solenoid problem. check fuel pressure, check for spark, if both there check compression those are the basics, if one of those is missing you know where to start. If all that checks ok then you are looking at something a little more complicated

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Offline glenlivet

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2018, 09:03:53 AM »
One thing to try at such a time: Most, maybe all EFI systems like the Delphi in CF Motos shut the fuel off when the throttle is floored and the motor is cranked with the starter. This lets you start it if it becomes flooded, usually rare but still can happen with EFI. Try cranking it 5 seconds or so with the gas pedal pinned. Worth a shot.

I'm reminded of a neighbour lady, late middle aged, couldn't get her 60's Chevy to start. I went over, saw it was flooded, and advised her to try holding throttle wide open until it starts. She understood exactly half of that advice and when the car started she kept holding it to the floor. Those old motors didn't have a rev limiter like kids these days bounce off for minutes on end. That old stovebolt six was doing a good nine grand screaming away as she sat there calm as a summer day, pleased that her car had started.
I eventually got her to understand that she should back off the throttle before the torque converter took off her feet.

ps. Sexist as it sounds and I'm sorry, but never tell such a lady to 'jog' the starter to help you pry a vee belt back on. No matter how long you spend describing the brief almost instantaneous engagement you need, and you can even demonstrate it, they hear 'try the starter', and jogging a starter must mean a 20 second long starter engagement session. Hate to generalize in this era of great sensitivity to offense. :) Your screwdriver is on the neighbour's lawn.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2018, 09:28:03 AM by glenlivet »
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Offline kayak-cowboy

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2018, 07:55:39 PM »
I had that happen to me back in October. Loaded machine on trailer and drove 3.5 hrs to Ride Royal Blue. Went to unload and all it would do is turn over with no fire.
Called my dealer back in Southern Indiana and walked through all the fuses with no luck. (Excellent support was back and forth on the phone for an hour.)  There is a local dealer that I ran it to. Half hour later my machine was up and running.
Turns out that one of my plugs was fouled out (burnt), dealer said it was poor gas and stay away from the ethanol in fuel. I upgraded fuel and haven't had any problems since.

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2018, 06:53:48 AM »
I had that happen to me back in October. Loaded machine on trailer and drove 3.5 hrs to Ride Royal Blue. Went to unload and all it would do is turn over with no fire.
Called my dealer back in Southern Indiana and walked through all the fuses with no luck. (Excellent support was back and forth on the phone for an hour.)  There is a local dealer that I ran it to. Half hour later my machine was up and running.
Turns out that one of my plugs was fouled out (burnt), dealer said it was poor gas and stay away from the ethanol in fuel. I upgraded fuel and haven't had any problems since.
If in fact it was poor gas it was more likely due to some crap in the gas at a station, not using ethanol fuel. I use top tier fuels, mobil, shell, Sunoco. All we have up here is ethanol fuel unless you want to spend 3X the money for fuel which I wouldn't. All my machines run fine on it never a problem, the problem only occurs if it sits for a long period of time without a stabilizer and usually more so in small engine like lawnmowers chain saws weed wackers ect smaller carbs they gum up faster.
Side note. I did find something interesting out that I did not know. I Live in CT, took a trip last year to NC to ride tail of the dragon with my Z1000 and GL1500 Goldwing. Down there they only had ethanol free fuel (for cheaper than what I pay up here for ethanol) the fuel mileage on my Goldwing went from about 35mph to 45mpg. It did not seem to affect my Z1000 though. I didn't even connect the dots until I got home and refueled and the fuel mileage went back down. At first I though it was an altitude thing but I think it was more so the fuel.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2018, 09:07:52 AM »
Here I don't have any choice but to use fuels with up to 10% ethanol year around. There are a couple of places that sell ethanol-free fuel but you might as well be buying aviation or racing fuel. Anyway, 1200 miles on my original plugs and they still look almost new so..that can't be it on the plugs. I think combustion chamber temperatures and contaminates have the most effects on plugs...and valves...and of course.. rings.
2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage |7- 9.7" GPS Systems | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front | Cage Chop Mod

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Offline Cosmosdan

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2018, 09:15:40 AM »
Just need to go through it. Fuel, Spark, and Compression.
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Offline kayak-cowboy

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2018, 11:36:56 AM »
Redrider may be right on poor fuel or junk in fuel. I had filled up at a place I normally wouldn't. (Road riding and didn't have enough fuel to make it home) Also, the machine did sit for a while before going. Just relating what the dealer in Caryville TN told me.
I also have the problem of 10% ethanol in my area, there is a new convenient store that opened recently that has the NO ethanol available for $.10 more than the fuel I currently use. Thinking about trying it out. Any thoughts. My local dealer also sells Air craft fluid which is what the first tank when I bought it. At $5 + a gallon I will not be going that direction.

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2018, 12:28:48 PM »
Redrider may be right on poor fuel or junk in fuel. I had filled up at a place I normally wouldn't. (Road riding and didn't have enough fuel to make it home) Also, the machine did sit for a while before going. Just relating what the dealer in Caryville TN told me.
I also have the problem of 10% ethanol in my area, there is a new convenient store that opened recently that has the NO ethanol available for $.10 more than the fuel I currently use. Thinking about trying it out. Any thoughts. My local dealer also sells Air craft fluid which is what the first tank when I bought it. At $5 + a gallon I will not be going that direction.
If you can get non ethanol fuel for only $.010/gallon more I would for sure go that route it is better fuel. Here it is more like $7/gallon for it soo not a chance.

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Offline Cosmosdan

Re: z 800 will not start
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2018, 06:50:40 PM »
On the topic of fuel, watch out for water. I filled up and the machine would not run. I had to put some seafoam in there to get it out.
2013 Z6 Trail
Iron Baltic skid plates
UE Boom Speaker mount
RZR 800 Shocks
Mostly stock trail riding
25g. Rollers and A1

2016 Outlander max 570
Too new for mods yet