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Offline davidpaul

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2016, 11:02:41 AM »
One thing has become clear and that's how incredibly small the backlash clearance is. The manual says .1 - .2 I've got it to .4 at the minute, not an easy job to do.
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Offline davidpaul

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2016, 02:11:49 PM »
Well here she is all rebuilt, refit and test next, report to follow ;)
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Offline Bobbed06

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2016, 07:02:55 PM »
As long as the tooth contact is proper, I would feel ok about a looser backlash spec, being to tight would possibly make it louder than the slightly looser setting. What backlash setting did you settle on?

Looks good, cant wait to hear the ride report!

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Offline davidpaul

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2016, 02:58:01 AM »
around .3 - .4, the mesh looks good the backlash is set a new bearing on the crown wheel side, my fingers and toes are crossed hoping that I get the right result. Tomorrow should be test day  ;)
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Offline Bobbed06

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2016, 01:33:46 PM »
around .3 - .4, the mesh looks good the backlash is set a new bearing on the crown wheel side, my fingers and toes are crossed hoping that I get the right result. Tomorrow should be test day  ;)

That sounds perfect, it will be more durable since its properly meshing now.

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Offline davidpaul

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2016, 05:05:05 PM »
I have managed to get her up and running and the result's are....  around 25% improvement  :) when I was building her back up I wasn't convinced there would be any improvement.

To me she's now in the acceptable range, very happy

I only replaced one large bearing with a better quality item, it wasn't meant to be a no expense spared rebuild so all in all a good job done.
(bearing I replaced in picture 1)

I bought all of the different size shims (except the pinion shim) before I started, as it turned out the pinion didn't need any adjustment so the .60 shim she came with stayed in place. ( this only needs adjustment if the contact patch is in the wrong place, as in picture 2, picture 3 shows the shim you will need to adjust if the contact patch is wrong)

In the end the crown wheel shims were only .10 thicker that the standard .40 so it wasn't much more than she came with, maybe just some wearing in, I probably could have gone to .55 or .60 but I found it difficult to get a good reading so I left the backlash a bit on the wider side, it's still very small amount of play (.3 - .4 ish)
(the shims to adjust the backlash are in picture 4)

The other shim that needs to be checked is on the other side of the crown wheel, I found fitting a smaller shim with some plastigauge laid on the surface worked well to find the nearest shim size. The pain in the ass bit is reassembling the diff each time to check the contact patch or backlash.

I haven't taken a picture of the last shim but it fit's on the ledge at the bottom of the machined section in the
5 picture.

The other adjustment you'll need to do is the support peg in picture 6 which is done with a feeler gauge after you set the backlash, it's the adjuster on the outside of the face plate
« Last Edit: May 28, 2016, 05:15:36 PM by davidpaul »
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Offline Bobbed06

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2016, 06:03:37 PM »
Now you know its done right, and the noises it makes are correct. Post up the part numbers you ordered and used. Dont forget the part# for the upgraded bearing!

I am sure experimenting with various gear lubes will result in further reduction of gear whine. It will need to wear back in some, now that the mesh has been changed. So expect it to get quieter with miles.

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Offline davidpaul

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2016, 04:15:44 AM »
Odd how I was convinced she was too tight, a degrease and dial gauge proved me wrong
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2016, 08:01:35 AM »
Odd how I was convinced she was too tight, a degrease and dial gauge proved me wrong
May have been how it was meshing made you feel it was tight.
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Offline davidpaul

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2016, 11:20:35 AM »
The bearings are standard size's so should be able to purchase at your local bearing store, the two bearings on the crown wheel are -
55x67x20mm (roller bearing) and the large one is -  Deep Groove Ball Bearing 85x130x14mm

I don't know the size of the pinion bearing but the number should be stamped on the edge.

I got the shims here-

http://www.alpha-sports.com/cfmoto_parts.htm
« Last Edit: May 29, 2016, 11:24:15 AM by davidpaul »
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Offline Bobbed06

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2016, 01:39:41 PM »
Any more miles logged since the diff setup??


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Offline Revolutionary

Re: Rear diff gear mesh
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2016, 07:00:09 PM »
Excellent post & thread, David. Wish I knew how to do stuff like this, I wouldn't trust me within a thousand feet of a disassembled differential...
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