[mikeyk101]

I broke down and ordered that harness from Kinnetick Kreations. I figure I've wasted $20 on dumber things over the years so if it doesn't work, oh well. Before ordering it, I had a brief email conversation with owner and discovered that the connector on that harness is the correct mate for the 8 pin trailer connector. I also found that in their kit, they do use a custom module for powering the rear but through the factory wiring harness. They have a custom rear harness that gets plugged into the 8 pin trailer connector and routed to both taillights. The factory taillight wiring gets unplugged and their harness plugged in to the taillights. Then the taillight and reverse function stays the same but the brake light is now both the brake and turn signal.

On their 8 pin adapter that they sell separately, it has 6 leads coming off it. Yesterday I removed the grey connector from its mount and confirmed what I thought and CFMoto only has 5 wires attached to the grey trailer adapter. During my email conversation, the owner of Kinnetick wasn't sure if these Zforces do have turn signal feeds through the 8 pin connector but said maybe it might work. He said they didn't really care because they bypass the factory stuff in their kit anyway but I could try and see what happens. I ordered the connector with leads and it should arrive today.

I also ordered the OEM flasher switch, Hazard switch, and the flasher and they are arriving today as well. Once I have those all plugged in, I can check and see if I get the same results as you.

I know I said maybe a winter project, I just couldn't help myself... I pretty much gave up on getting turn signal function in OEM taillights and plan on wiring up aftermarket clearance lights to use for turn signals. I ordered those from Amazon and they took should be arriving today.

You are probably going to be correct and it's not going to work. I'm just stubborn and have to find out for myself. But like you mentioned, if it doesn't work, the swappable connectors that would under the passenger fender is an alternative to get power to turn signals and a jumper harness could be made up.

To be continued...

[bobinmurphy]

I'm with you on that - got a barn full of "oh crap, that didn't work the way I thought it would".  I just don't like the idea of having to drill into the factory plastic to mount things.  Did that on my previous UTV that didn't have any setup for turn signals or backup lights. I had to engineer the whole setup for switches, switch mounting, lights, flasher module and wiring harness from parts off Amazon.  Of course one other option might be to use a license plate frame that includes brake and turn signals like the one I used on my previous UTV, and connect it to the spare connector in the rear quarter panel - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09RFKPDZQ?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

I'm not sure how Kinnetick is able to get both taillight and backup lights with only the 4-wire connection in the CFMoto taillight assembly.  But combining brake lights with turn signals is standard with a two filament bulb or two light pods like the CFMoto has in the taillight assembly.  Combining taillight, brake and turn signals while keeping backup can be done with a 4-wire system but it requires voltage reduction for taillight which probably isn't possible with LEDs AND in the CFMoto it would eliminate the original taillight LED pod.  I'm interested to see what you find out and come up with.

[mikeyk101]

Now that you mention it, I don't remember them demonstrating the reverse lights. They did demonstrate the turn signals flashing what normally is the brake light. And in their description, nothing is mentioned about reverse lights so maybe it doesn't retain that function?

On another note, everything showed up on my doorstep today so I dove in. Horn is installed. Rear lighted license plate holder on and working. Turn signal flasher is hooked up but I ended up zip tying it under dash. Hazard switch in and flashes both left and right indicators on display and up front (of course). Turn signal switch works as well but indicators and front turn signals hyper flash.

The plug in trailer harness was a bust. No feed for left or right turn signals. I didn't test for brake light but it did have power for running lights. So I tried tracking down that junction for the reverse/turn signal connectors on left rear. I took off the fender flares as well as another plastic guard under there that helps protect gas tank. I could not locate any kind of wires for rear lighting. I ended up stopping for the night and figured I would ask for help.

Any tips or clues on how to find those connectors? It seems like that's what I will end up doing. I have little 3.7" x .7" red LED fixtures that I plan on using. I just need to get a feed I can use. They are small enough that I can mount them easily just about anywhere. And if I can just find the rear connector, I'm sure I can figure out the mating connector to plug in to it. I am really trying to avoid running new wires from the front all the way to the back of I don't have to.

[bobinmurphy]

The plug in trailer harness was a bust. No feed for left or right turn signals. I didn't test for brake light but it did have power for running lights. So I tried tracking down that junction for the reverse/turn signal connectors on left rear. I took off the fender flares as well as another plastic guard under there that helps protect gas tank. I could not locate any kind of wires for rear lighting. I ended up stopping for the night and figured I would ask for help.

Any tips or clues on how to find those connectors? It seems like that's what I will end up doing. I have little 3.7" x .7" red LED fixtures that I plan on using. I just need to get a feed I can use. They are small enough that I can mount them easily just about anywhere. And if I can just find the rear connector, I'm sure I can figure out the mating connector to plug in to it. I am really trying to avoid running new wires from the front all the way to the back of I don't have to.

If you're looking for the 4-pin connectors between the vehicle wire harness and the real light assemblies they're located on top and behind the rear right quarter panel.  You should see one connection there that's the factory setup for brake, tail and backup lights already connected.  The other connector is taped back into the vehicle wire harness about 6" from the end.  You have to remove the black tape securing it to the wire harness to locate it.  There should be a "bump" in the wire harness where the connector is, and if memory serves, they connectors are white in color.

[mikeyk101]

Ok, I may be back in business and think there is an easier way. And it still involves the grey 8 pin socket in the rear. I was looking for more information and stumbled on a web page of a guy down in Texas. The website is here: https://speckhobbies.com/ols/products/blinker-wiring-kit-red
He is a hobbiest and put together a budget kit to get the rear turn signals working through the grey connector.


His kit also involves a lot of sourcing the OEM stuff on your own such as the OEM turn signal switch, hazard switch, and flasher. He also provided a link at Amazon for wire nut clips to make mounting the flasher unit to firewall. I thought that there would be threaded holes there and found out otherwise. I couldn't figure out how to use bolts and nuts so I zip ties instead. I'm going to pick up the wire nut clips and do it right. [size=78%]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09RV82B25?ie=UTF8&th=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=bamspeck-20&linkId=c5e1c40ade8c14d8c9d1a5ce48ff1cb4&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl[/size]


His kit has a jumper that plugs into a 9 pin socket under the dash. I checked and I do have that. I included a photo of that below. His kit also provides a 8 pin wired connector that plugs in to rear 8 pin socket. By plugging that 9 pin jumper into socket under the dash, it provides feeds for the turn signals in rear grey socket. He also has a custom wiring harness for rear to connect left and right turn signals. Much easier to access than the connectors behind the right quarter panel.


And one thing I really like is that he was able to source LED lights that replace the rear reflectors. I have been searching high and low and had wanted to do something similar. There is some drilling involved for wire holes but it will be hidden. I'm going to reach out to him and see where he found these.


After learning about the 9 pin jumper, I reached back out to Kinnettick about purchasing theirs. I had an opportunity to buy it when I bought the connector with leads but thought it wouldn't be needed. If I had bought it then, it would have been $8. But buying it separately, it was $12. Still pretty reasonable.


If I hadn't started getting many of the extra components on my own already, I would have happily bought the kit from Speck Hobbies for $70. But once I have the jumper, I can run my own rear wiring. I just need the information on where to buy those reflector lights.


I think I'm on the home stretch now!


P.S. In your Street Legal PDF instructions, you mentioned that the socket to plug into the flasher was a grey socket. In my case, it appears that it was a black socket. It was the one long enough to reach the flasher unit. Everything seems to be working correctly up front except for the hyper flashing when using the left or right turn signals. Hazards flash at normal speed. Is that hyper flashing normal?

[bobinmurphy]

You're right, the flasher module plug under the dash is black, not grey.  I did the write-up from memory after I had everything working, so I missed a few details like that.  I've updated the instructions and will upload a newer version of the document.

I don't recall if the front lights flash fast when the rear lights aren't connected, but that wouldn't surprise me as the flasher isn't getting a full resistive load with only half the lights connected.

[mikeyk101]

Well even closer now. Larry Speck responded back and said all the lights he has now are spoken for with the kits. He did direct me to a source on Amazon.

https://a.co/d/5XmGF5R

He did let me know that it usually takes some time for delivery. Amazon shows delivery between Sep 4-11. But now I had the info to search more. They were the only ones I could find on Amazon. But I also decided to take a look at eBay. There I found several listings including this one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/375466352386
They show delivery between Aug 26-28.


The eBay seller also lists best offer so I made a bid of $8.50. Just waiting to hear back. I think I will order these either way.

[mikeyk101]

I ended up buying these ones
https://www.ebay.com/itm/201493559853
There seems to be slight size discrepancies on the various advertised ones on eBay. The ones I just bought are listed at 89mm x 35mm which should be a closer match to original reflector. The ones in last post are advertised as 84mm x 32mm which I think would be slight smaller than the OEM reflector. I am supposed to have it some time early next week.

[mikeyk101]

The jumper worked. I got it plugged into the 9 pin black connector behind center dash and then checked for turn signal feed at the extra plug in harness I bought for grey trailer connector and now have live turn signal feeds in the rear. I tested it with the LED fixtures I was originally going to mount in rear and they flashed like they were supposed to. But instead of mounting those, I'm supposed to get the rectangular red lights that will replace the red rear reflectors so I will wait before I fully install the rear wiring.


I tested all the wire functions on that new harness from Kinnettick Kreations and everything was live except the reverse light feed. Checking further, there is no wire on vehicle side going in to the connector for that anyway.


If I had to start from scratch, I think I would have just ordered the rear kit from Speck Hobbies. I would have had everything I needed at one time. By sourcing out each of the components, it was cheaper but quite a bit of aggravation. What should have taken a short time over an afternoon has stretched into days as I discovered I needed more and more parts. I'm very happy to almost be done.

[mikeyk101]

I am still experiencing hyper flashing when using the turn signals even when I attached a temporary LED light to rear while testing. Hazards flash at a normal rate.

Is anyone else that has added turn signals experienced the hyper flashing?

I have seen this before when turn signal bulbs are replaced all around from incandescent to LED and the flasher unit isn't LED compatible. But the Zforce 800 at least seems like it was designed for LED lights front and rear so I would assume the flasher unit should be LED compatible? And with Hazards flashing normally, I'm confused why using turn signals causes hyper flashing.

[mikeyk101]

Ok, I just came across some info that they hyper flash is somewhat common with using left or right turn signals on these machines even with rear signals wired in. But with motor running, they are supposed to flash normally just like the hazards. Right now, I still don't have the rear turn signal lights I am waiting on so fronts only. In my case, even with motor running, I get the hyper flash. So hopefully once the rear turn signals are installed and the circuit has a bit more load on it, the problem will correct itself. I will know one way or the other by mid next week. Otherwise I will try the solution that @bobinmurphy suggested in a PM and wire in some resistors. Fingers crossed that it corrects itself but based on my track record especially on this project, I'm not going to hold my breath, LOL.

[mikeyk101]

Well it's done. Thanks to bobinmurphy for info and help sourcing parts, Jason over at https://www.kinnettickreations.com for more info and parts, and Larry of https://speckhobbies.com for some guidance on tips as well as sourcing even more parts, I was able to get additional rear running lights and turn signals in the spot where there was just reflectors. Like I mentioned above, had I found Larry's site earlier, I would have just bought his kit and installed that. Unfortunately,  I had already bought some of the main stuff from Jason (although I guess it was a good thing because his parts are good quality). Larry also has a great writeup similar to bobinmurphy but also includes many photos of the install. Look at the Install docs on his site and it is even available as a downloadable PDF.


As far as the hyper flashing, I think I solved it but not quite sure how. After I got the new rectangular lights for rear all wired up, I was still getting the hyper flashing with motor off. This time though when starting the motor, it would sometimes flash normal and sometimes hyper flash. I noticed that motor had a loping idle. Once the idle smoothed out and rpms were around 14-1500, it had a slow steady flash rate.


Very happy with how it turned out. Now I just have to tidy up the wiring and zip tie it out of the way in a couple spots.