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Offline Birchy

P1800 on ODB2
« on: January 13, 2025, 06:50:17 PM »
My 2021 Cforce 600 Touring shows the engine check light occasionally (it goes on an off during a ride), so I connected a ODB2 reader and got a P1800 code.
Any help on what that means would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
  John

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2025, 08:06:58 PM »
Sorry, just looked through all the code sheets and found no P1800
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Offline Birchy

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2025, 10:44:04 AM »

Very strange. I can use a generic ODB2 reader, right?
Here's pic of the code

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2025, 12:05:01 PM »
I have looked through all I have for it and found nothing. When I Google it. I get this. And as there were some issues with their idle Air Control valves, it may be of some use:

"The P1800 code in a vehicle can indicate a problem with the transmission clutch interlock safety switch, or a fault in the variable intake air system control solenoid valve."
« Last Edit: January 14, 2025, 03:28:04 PM by NMKawierider »
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Offline Birchy

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2025, 12:50:30 PM »
I was told the following from a CFmoto shop ... "We use a factory issued tool that connects to the OBD2 but is loaded with proprietary software. You may have some success using a Generic OBD2 scanner but info will be limited to only emissions related data."

Anyone know how to read the codes fully?
He told me that the P1800 code is not a valid code (see attached for reference) and that my generic ODB2 reader is likely the issue.


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Offline NMKawierider

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2025, 01:04:31 PM »
He is correct on the codes and reader from what I know. The manual will..at least they used to..show you how to make the MIL light blink the fault code.But I thought..and I might be wrong...that from 2020 and up they displayed the fault codes in the dash. 
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Offline Birchy

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2025, 01:07:28 PM »
When I asked if it was normal that the Check Engine light goes on/off/on/etc their reply was ... "That is not normal. Check to see that all your fuses are good and tight. You may also have a loose connection at the IP or ECU. Check both connectors to make sure they are seated properly. Beyond that may take more detailed troubleshooting."

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2025, 01:23:19 PM »
On when not running is normal then off while running is normal. On while running is not and indicates a fault. Lots have had the rear O2 sensor connector get toasted by the muffler on the Zs and some have just come loose. Might check it.
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Offline Birchy

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2025, 03:46:42 PM »
Ya it seemingly randomly goes on & off whist running. 
I'll check the O2 sensor, thanks.
  John

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2025, 04:09:22 PM »
Sounds like a bad connector on one of the sensors...and an O2 is one that can without making much effect on running.
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Offline Grandmaster Splash

Re: P1800 on ODB2
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2025, 02:43:50 AM »
Hi Birchy,

OBD II DTC P Codes are generic across the whole of the motor industry, one has to be cautious with the interpretation of these codes.
DTC Codes are a bit like a very basic GPS mapping system i.e. they point you in the direction of a specific Zip code or postal code. They can get you to the street where the house is located but not actually to the doorstep of the house, one has to deploy other tactics to get to the doorstep of the house i.e. common sense and other indicators.
If you search some areas of the internet P1800 error code translates to a malfunction in the transmission range sensor circuit on an Auto G/Box. Not applicable here because we do not have an Auto box fitted, “Common sense application”
In other areas of the internet and in my experience the most common translation of a P1800 error code is a potential fault with the ""Variable Intake Air System Control Solenoid Valve Circuit". Yes, your handheld generic Amazon purchased scanner is also extremely generic and not bespoke to the systems on your ride that require interpretation of the OBD II DTC codes i.e. your injection system. So, you will be sent down a garden path on occasions when trying to interpret these codes, therefore you have to be more cautious as instead of being sent to the street where the house is you will be sent to the town where the house is. As your scanner is struggling to interpret the software and DTC codes inside your injection ECU.
So where does this leave us……………….if it where the "Variable Intake Air System Control Solenoid Valve Circuit" one would obviously take a peek at this valve. However, to my knowledge of CFMOTO injection systems these are not fitted. So OK what is controlling “Air” quality on these Quad bikes? The intake Air Temp sensor, and the MAP sensor fitted to the throttle body.
However, like all forms of diagnostic tools “Please” do not forget that these are pointing devices. It may state O2 senor or Air temp senor fault, but it can be any of the harness cables or connections on route to these sensors.
Also do not ignore basics i.e. the days before DTC codes how is the bike actually performing is it, poor at starting, is its idle poor, is its acceleration poor, does it backfire on de-acceleration. What is the condition of the plugs and so on. All of these would point at an air quality issue.
It is good to investigate these codes, however, do not forget that if it were a serious fault i.e. one that could potentially damage the engine the injection ECU will lock down to “Limp Home Mode” it limits RPM’s to something like 1,000 RPM or in extreme situations will not start or run. This was always the main reason for DTC codes i.e. to protect the engine and prevent serious damage.

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