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Offline Mike Glidden

clutch replacement
« on: January 13, 2021, 09:06:25 PM »
so gentlemen,
I am replacing the clutch and bearings on our x6, my problem is on the side cover there is a bearing and seal in the cvt cover that is between the wet clutch and the dry clutch.
I pulled the bearing out not paying attention and when I went to put it back I discovered that the bearing is open on 1 side and closed on the other side, I don't know how it came out, I think the closed side should go out towards the dry clutch but I want to find out for sure. 
please help
mike

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutch replacement
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2021, 09:32:18 AM »
I'm a bit confused as to which "Bearing" you are referring to as you mention the cover, between the two clutches, seals and a possible directional requirement. Below is all the "bearings" in your X6 clutch shaft. Which one are we talking about?

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Offline Mike Glidden

clutch job?
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2021, 07:10:33 PM »
so I have been forced into going back into this machine several times. It never was right!
the first problem is there is something wrong in the wet clutch, in the video that is attached I can hold the output shaft with my hand. The new friction material I put in the wet clutch still looks new as if it isn't touching the drum on the clutch. Is there different heights of material you can purchase? when this first failed it was because the machine was swamped and filled with water and it wore the wet clutch down to nothing.
second problem is the oil leaking from the seal which has been replaced several times as the bushing that goes in the seal. researching this problem I found that there is a oil journal in the case right behind the seal to lube the bearing behind the seal, makes sense! the problem I see is the new bearing is sealed on one side of it. I think the oil is not allowed to flow back into the crankcase causing it to pour out of the seal. the original bearing had the same one side sealed off only difference is it was metal cover and the new one is plastic cover on the bearing.
I am wanting to remove that bearing cover to allow the oil to drain back to the sump. but I want to know if anyone else has had a issue or if they know why that bearing is sealed on one side.
the Bearing with the one side sealed is called the support bearing in the picture in this tread.
please help   
 

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutch replacement
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2021, 07:43:03 PM »
That bearing should not have any seal or shield on either side as oil MUST be able to flow through and back to the sump. Otherwise it does what it's doing...pressure-up and push through the seal. To my knowledge that's the only path it can take...so remove that seal from the bearing...I would.
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Offline Mike Glidden

Re: clutch replacement
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2021, 08:30:06 PM »
the more I look at it I am going to remove it, I wonder if the original bearing that was sealed on one side with a metal piece had some clearance to allow oil to stay in the bearing before draining out?
But the oil pressure this machine has will definitely be able to lube that bearing.
any thoughts on the wet clutch friction claws? they move freely but just don't seem to hit the drum enough.

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Offline Mike Glidden

Re: clutch replacement
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2021, 09:57:15 PM »
what is the difference between the wet clutch paws?
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and 0180-54200-0003

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutch replacement
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2021, 08:22:33 AM »
any thoughts on the wet clutch friction claws? they move freely but just don't seem to hit the drum enough.
The wet clutch is just a centrifugal clutch...much like we had on our mini bikes (a little nicer)...except in oil. The shoes or claws are weighted pads held in place by springs that offer the resistance to centrifugal forces. At rest the pads are only about 15-20 thousands of an inch away from the bell (just a guess). The farther they have to reach, the more RPMs it will take because of the extra spring resistance is encountered. Maybe...just maybe..that is the difference between the two part numbers...one being shorter then the other. Just put the bell over the claws and see how much room there is between them. Should feel very little.
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