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Offline ArcticExploring

Snow plowing and getting stuck
« on: January 16, 2022, 02:38:38 PM »
Not sure if you guys like watching other people struggle while getting stuck, but here is my newest video from snowplowing my driveway here in Norway.

I can't wait for May to come fast lol
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Snow plowing and getting stuck
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2022, 02:53:27 PM »
That much snow...especially hard-packed or crusted might be too much for an ATV but yeah, ATV tire chains for sure.. and some counter weight on the rear rack...as much or a little more then the plow weighs. I used cinder blocks with ratchet straps. Really helps. Maybe some snow-specific tires just for winter in the future as well.
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Offline ArcticExploring

Re: Snow plowing and getting stuck
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2022, 04:11:44 PM »
That much snow...especially hard-packed or crusted might be too much for an ATV but yeah, ATV tire chains for sure.. and some counter weight on the rear rack...as much or a little more then the plow weighs. I used cinder blocks with ratchet straps. Really helps. Maybe some snow-specific tires just for winter in the future as well.
I totally agree with you. Not sure if I would get chains this year, but chains or spikes on the tires helps a lot on the ice. Some years ago I used to have counter weight on back when I had the soft box mounted, and it helped a bit.
If I could afford, I would buy other tires with spikes on for driving/plowing in winter.
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Offline Siberian

Re: Snow plowing and getting stuck
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2022, 12:30:53 PM »
I admit that is a lot of snow.   I have only had 1 winter like that here in Idaho mountains.
When I start plowing snow in the winter, I approach it with "worst case scenario", which appears to be "normal mode" for Norway.  By that I mean I plow out beyond where I need it cleared, so that more snow has someplace to go to.  Another thing is to plan the plow-cuts where to cut the snow.
 
What is the point of plowing down the little hill to a small flat area?  Does that go somewhere?

Your snowplow is quite wide so it has A LOT of work to do.  Wax the surfaces with auto wax.  I carry a long (2/3 meter) car windshield scrapper/brush on ATV.  I knock off excessive snow when turning plow angle.   A shorter plow would be easier to work with than the width you are using.  If not shorter, then using a plow angle will help.
 
A possible solution: Plow 1 time on each side with square blade, the return with angle blade to push the snow away from ATV.  Adding a top slick plastic curve part would help funnel snow away from the blade. 

Plow in the center first with square blade, the return with angles to either side to push snow away from center.

Yes add concrete blocks or something to the rear of ATV.  A 2-up version does not have that much weight in the rear, so add some.  I have done the "Get Stuck" exactly as you have in loose silty dirt. It does the same thing in loose snow. OEM tires are pretty good if you don't just spin them to dig holes.  It just digs holes.  Slower on power works better.  Chains would help, but "all bets are off" on hard ice.

You may practise raising plow blade slowly as you come to the end of a run.   It will make a slight hill and push snow up higher and away for more runs to the same position.  It isn't easy to do with the winch, but I'm getting better in my 1st season.  I can get the pile of snow up to about 1.5 +/- meter high with this method.

Some clean-up or fine-tune work with a shovel is usually needed even when plowing most of the snow away.  The ATV can do most of it, but isn't a fine scalpel.  I put in 1 meter fiberglass top-reflector rods (about 8mm diameter) before the snow season to locate edges and curves of driveway and flat area.  They actually help you gauge where to plow and how to do it.  They are really great in the dark.

Keep track of Plow-Hours.  Plowing snow is considered "severe use" and counts as 2 times hours for oil/filter change and so on.  If you keep ATV outside or in really cold place, 5w or 10w 40 JASO MA2 oil OK.  Change for summer or warmer weather.

I have trouble working winch switch with fat insulated gloves in the dark.  Tough to see it, fat fingers, etc. I am trying to add a LED light only on the switch, or I may find a lighted winch switch that will work.  Dunno yet.

If I am wrong or off-base, don't understand, etc, just forgive, read on, and forget.

I like to plow snow, it isn't that hard to do.   Have fun doing your snow plow tasks. 

YMMV
« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 03:37:26 PM by Siberian »

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Offline John1960

Re: Snow plowing and getting stuck
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2022, 06:23:29 PM »
I admit that is a lot of snow.   I have only had 1 winter like that here in Idaho mountains.
When I start plowing snow in the winter, I approach it with "worst case scenario", which appears to be "normal mode" for Norway.  By that I mean I plow out beyond where I need it cleared, so that more snow has someplace to go to.  Another thing is to plan the plow-cuts where to cut the snow.
 
What is the point of plowing down the little hill to a small flat area?  Does that go somewhere?

Your snowplow is quite wide so it has A LOT of work to do.  Wax the surfaces with auto wax.  I carry a long (2/3 meter) car windshield scrapper/brush on ATV.  I knock off excessive snow when turning plow angle.   A shorter plow would be easier to work with than the width you are using.  If not shorter, then using a plow angle will help.
 
A possible solution: Plow 1 time on each side with square blade, the return with angle blade to push the snow away from ATV.  Adding a top slick plastic curve part would help funnel snow away from the blade. 

Plow in the center first with square blade, the return with angles to either side to push snow away from center.

Yes add concrete blocks or something to the rear of ATV.  A 2-up version does not have that much weight in the rear, so add some.  I have done the "Get Stuck" exactly as you have in loose silty dirt. It does the same thing in loose snow. OEM tires are pretty good if you don't just spin them to dig holes.  It just digs holes.  Slower on power works better.  Chains would help, but "all bets are off" on hard ice.

You may practise raising plow blade slowly as you come to the end of a run.   It will make a slight hill and push snow up higher and away for more runs to the same position.  It isn't easy to do with the winch, but I'm getting better in my 1st season.  I can get the pile of snow up to about 1.5 +/- meter high with this method.

Some clean-up or fine-tune work with a shovel is usually needed even when plowing most of the snow away.  The ATV can do most of it, but isn't a fine scalpel.  I put in 1 meter fiberglass top-reflector rods (about 8mm diameter) before the snow season to locate edges and curves of driveway and flat area.  They actually help you gauge where to plow and how to do it.  They are really great in the dark.

Keep track of Plow-Hours.  Plowing snow is considered "severe use" and counts as 2 times hours for oil/filter change and so on.  If you keep ATV outside or in really cold place, 5w or 10w 40 JASO MA2 oil OK.  Change for summer or warmer weather.

I have trouble working winch switch with fat insulated gloves in the dark.  Tough to see it, fat fingers, etc. I am trying to add a LED light only on the switch, or I may find a lighted winch switch that will work.  Dunno yet.

If I am wrong or off-base, don't understand, etc, just forgive, read on, and forget.

I like to plow snow, it isn't that hard to do.   Have fun doing your snow plow tasks. 

YMMV


I agree with all your observations about accelerated wear, tips and advice about usage and reducing strain.

The one fundamental thing I don’t agree with is using an ATV for snow removal on large areas.   I came from a background of Suzuki ATVs which are well known for being reliable and well built.   Honestly, if Suzuki made a side x side, I wouldn’t be looking at any other machine.   They don’t, and I won’t buy a Polaris, or spend huge money on a Can Am, Yamaha, or Honda.  That is why I decided on a ZForce 950.

I bought a King Quad 750 years ago that came with a plow.  I used it once and asked myself why I was subjecting my machine to all the extra strain.   What I don’t want to do is stress my machine out moving snow and have something fail when I am out enjoying myself on a ride .  That would ruin a good getaway, especially in some of the more remote areas I ride. 


Just my two cents and two words of advice to go with it.

Snow blower.

This is what I bought.



« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 06:25:28 PM by John1960 »

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Offline Siberian

Re: Snow plowing and getting stuck
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2022, 10:39:26 AM »

I agree with all your observations about accelerated wear, tips and advice about usage and reducing strain.

The one fundamental thing I don’t agree with is using an ATV for snow removal on large areas.   I came from a background of Suzuki ATVs which are well known for being reliable and well built.   Honestly, if Suzuki made a side x side, I wouldn’t be looking at any other machine.   They don’t, and I won’t buy a Polaris, or spend huge money on a Can Am, Yamaha, or Honda.  That is why I decided on a ZForce 950.

I bought a King Quad 750 years ago that came with a plow.  I used it once and asked myself why I was subjecting my machine to all the extra strain.   What I don’t want to do is stress my machine out moving snow and have something fail when I am out enjoying myself on a ride .  That would ruin a good getaway, especially in some of the more remote areas I ride. 


Just my two cents and two words of advice to go with it.

Snow blower.

This is what I bought.



That is one heck of a snow thrower!  They do a good job, and "generally" (`-/+) slower than an ATV or SxS.

Most of my snowplow work is downhill, so it isn't that hard of the machine perhaps?  Gravity is helping the "push".  I had a 1991 Suz King Quad that I used for snow for over 30 years.  No problems.  It was getting tired
, so I sold it last year while it still ran.  Its major job was SNOW.  Sold it, bought the CForce 600T.

I forgot to mention that when I turn the plow blade from straight to an angle position, I usually only go for 1/2 or 2/3 width for a new cut in the snow.  I don't want the excess to go in the other direction so I have to make 2 passes at the same area.  It is just something that works for me.

My neighbor has 50" wide plow, I have 46" plow.  He has the added top stiff plastic piece on his that is taller on one side (meaning wider top to bottom) than the other.  He angles is plow to the high side and always goes the same way so it really kicks out the snow.

You see these added "lips"(?) on big street plows that go fast, are heavy, and the curl really throws the snow out.  Anyway, that's the idea of an added "lip".

I am very careful plowing snow.  I don't hit anything solid and inspect fittings, nut & bolts often.  I don't flog the machine in the summer either.  If it breaks, it is usually me who has to fix it, so I'd rather not "break it".  Warranty may be fine, but I have a crappy dealer here, so I take care of the machine.

YMMV

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Offline John1960

Re: Snow plowing and getting stuck
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2022, 04:05:32 PM »

I agree with all your observations about accelerated wear, tips and advice about usage and reducing strain.

The one fundamental thing I don’t agree with is using an ATV for snow removal on large areas.   I came from a background of Suzuki ATVs which are well known for being reliable and well built.   Honestly, if Suzuki made a side x side, I wouldn’t be looking at any other machine.   They don’t, and I won’t buy a Polaris, or spend huge money on a Can Am, Yamaha, or Honda.  That is why I decided on a ZForce 950.

I bought a King Quad 750 years ago that came with a plow.  I used it once and asked myself why I was subjecting my machine to all the extra strain.   What I don’t want to do is stress my machine out moving snow and have something fail when I am out enjoying myself on a ride .  That would ruin a good getaway, especially in some of the more remote areas I ride. 


Just my two cents and two words of advice to go with it.

Snow blower.

This is what I bought.



That is one heck of a snow thrower!  They do a good job, and "generally" (`-/+) slower than an ATV or SxS.

Most of my snowplow work is downhill, so it isn't that hard of the machine perhaps?  Gravity is helping the "push".  I had a 1991 Suz King Quad that I used for snow for over 30 years.  No problems.  It was getting tired
, so I sold it last year while it still ran.  Its major job was SNOW.  Sold it, bought the CForce 600T.

I forgot to mention that when I turn the plow blade from straight to an angle position, I usually only go for 1/2 or 2/3 width for a new cut in the snow.  I don't want the excess to go in the other direction so I have to make 2 passes at the same area.  It is just something that works for me.

My neighbor has 50" wide plow, I have 46" plow.  He has the added top stiff plastic piece on his that is taller on one side (meaning wider top to bottom) than the other.  He angles is plow to the high side and always goes the same way so it really kicks out the snow.

You see these added "lips"(?) on big street plows that go fast, are heavy, and the curl really throws the snow out.  Anyway, that's the idea of an added "lip".

I am very careful plowing snow.  I don't hit anything solid and inspect fittings, nut & bolts often.  I don't flog the machine in the summer either.  If it breaks, it is usually me who has to fix it, so I'd rather not "break it".  Warranty may be fine, but I have a crappy dealer here, so I take care of the machine.

YMMV

It’s a monster with all the bells and whistles….. heated grips, LED headlight, electric start, power steering, tank tracks….   I can clear the snow faster with the snow blower that I did with my ATV because I don’t worry about stressing the ATV with long pushes , or messing up my paver driveway.    I also like being able to “place “ the snow where I want to.   With a plow and borders on the driveway (edging) , you can’t push subsequent snowfalls far over and get it out of the way.   Once things freeze up you loose space.

To each their own.  I have done both and just prefer the snowblower. 

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Offline ArcticExploring

Re: Snow plowing and getting stuck
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2022, 07:44:03 AM »
I admit that is a lot of snow.   I have only had 1 winter like that here in Idaho mountains.
When I start plowing snow in the winter, I approach it with "worst case scenario", which appears to be "normal mode" for Norway.  By that I mean I plow out beyond where I need it cleared, so that more snow has someplace to go to.  Another thing is to plan the plow-cuts where to cut the snow.
 
What is the point of plowing down the little hill to a small flat area?  Does that go somewhere?

Your snowplow is quite wide so it has A LOT of work to do.  Wax the surfaces with auto wax.  I carry a long (2/3 meter) car windshield scrapper/brush on ATV.  I knock off excessive snow when turning plow angle.   A shorter plow would be easier to work with than the width you are using.  If not shorter, then using a plow angle will help.
 
A possible solution: Plow 1 time on each side with square blade, the return with angle blade to push the snow away from ATV.  Adding a top slick plastic curve part would help funnel snow away from the blade. 

Plow in the center first with square blade, the return with angles to either side to push snow away from center.

Yes add concrete blocks or something to the rear of ATV.  A 2-up version does not have that much weight in the rear, so add some.  I have done the "Get Stuck" exactly as you have in loose silty dirt. It does the same thing in loose snow. OEM tires are pretty good if you don't just spin them to dig holes.  It just digs holes.  Slower on power works better.  Chains would help, but "all bets are off" on hard ice.

You may practise raising plow blade slowly as you come to the end of a run.   It will make a slight hill and push snow up higher and away for more runs to the same position.  It isn't easy to do with the winch, but I'm getting better in my 1st season.  I can get the pile of snow up to about 1.5 +/- meter high with this method.

Some clean-up or fine-tune work with a shovel is usually needed even when plowing most of the snow away.  The ATV can do most of it, but isn't a fine scalpel.  I put in 1 meter fiberglass top-reflector rods (about 8mm diameter) before the snow season to locate edges and curves of driveway and flat area.  They actually help you gauge where to plow and how to do it.  They are really great in the dark.

Keep track of Plow-Hours.  Plowing snow is considered "severe use" and counts as 2 times hours for oil/filter change and so on.  If you keep ATV outside or in really cold place, 5w or 10w 40 JASO MA2 oil OK.  Change for summer or warmer weather.

I have trouble working winch switch with fat insulated gloves in the dark.  Tough to see it, fat fingers, etc. I am trying to add a LED light only on the switch, or I may find a lighted winch switch that will work.  Dunno yet.

If I am wrong or off-base, don't understand, etc, just forgive, read on, and forget.

I like to plow snow, it isn't that hard to do.   Have fun doing your snow plow tasks. 

YMMV

Sorry for late answer, and I really appreciate your answer with solutions.

About plowing downhill there, the only reason I do that is so I can get more snow moved away from my driveway so there is room for more snow. Lession learned from 2 years ago where I at end of season where I almost had no room for parking for my car and had to get a neighbour helping with his tractor to make more space.

I have a cheap plow and where I have fasten my winch on the plow, it block it from putting it on an angle (it worked before I had to fix where to put winch on it).
Also about moving the plow up at end to make a "bridge" is not possible because of 2 reasons:
1: The winch (plow) is really slow lifting it up, so I have to stand still almost to get it in proper hight.
2: Since my plow is mounted really close to my atv, lifting it up in a steep angle will make it hit my front of the atv (plastic cover) that will damage it easily when frozen.

In my recent video I have put on non-stick spray on the whole plow for stopping the snow sticking, and it worked great.

Most times when I get stuck, is because my tires are in the air already because of packed snow underneath.

Top plastic on the plow is a really good idea and I have been thinking for years putting on a hard rubber thing there for help with the snow clogging up. I will see what I can do in the future, and same with sidewings.
CFMOTO Cforce 520L 2018 all stock, no modification.

https://youtube.com/arcticexploring