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Offline 2strokejunkies

clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« on: March 26, 2022, 09:07:53 AM »
hey guys , i took my clutchs apart to cleans as the bike was not shiftimg good. Now its back together and its making a very loud whining noise in forward and reverse and gets louder as you drive.. I dis take the secondary apaet and forgor to mark the spring locations. Would this cause the noise and also what is stock spring settings ... thxs

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2022, 10:07:38 AM »
My guess is yes, the secondary is not reassembled correctly. Stock setting was probably B1 but C1 would be better and..best to review videos on reassembling them as people although people get the spring in the right holes, they sometimes forget to twist the helix to perload and set on the ramps or forget about the key.Oh and check the belt closely for glazing or burning. If that squealing is belt slippage, its likely already destroyed the belt.
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Offline 2strokejunkies

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2022, 02:49:25 PM »
thxs for the reply, i took secondary off and reset to B1  , and its not whinnig anymore. My original issue was the bike was stuck ingear and making a really bad noise. Well i still have that noise and i got a new one way bearing and i cant seem to get the inside cvt cover off the motor. Has anyone done this before is there a trick.... thxs

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2022, 04:06:23 PM »
Far as I know: Drain oil, remove both clutches and any deflectors behind them, Remove all cover bolts, tap around to help release cover from gasket/sealant, slide straight off dowels.
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Offline 2strokejunkies

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2022, 06:37:14 AM »
So i got it all apart and installed new one way bearing with arrow and writing facing the engine as it said, i still hav e a horrible noise coming from this thing. Onlyt hing left is the clutch pack or engine issue.

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Offline 2strokejunkies

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2022, 06:42:34 AM »
Here is another video that shows the noise it worse...

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2022, 08:53:50 AM »
That's bad. In the first video, the only other time I've heard something like that was on one that had a broken spring on the wet clutch shoe. And if you watch closely, the shaft also shows the bearing has some play..which one might think it would without the outer cover bearing in place..but with no load on it should run true. So the first video makes me thing there is a shoe/spring problem with the wet clutch or a possible bearing problem. What did you find with the old one-way?

The second video has all the indications of contact between the bell and wet clutch as at idle, even in neutral it shouldn't spin. Even with the load of the belt pulling on it without the outer support...assuming the one-way is in correctly of course. Because the sound is so different between the two..ie loaded and not, I would say it's not anything like rods or other internals. It is..IMO a problem with that shaft and wet clutch. Hate to say it but I think it needs to come back apart and closely inspected. There should be odd marks on the inside of the bell..or on the shoes..somewhere from the contact. And consider replacing that inner shaft bearing and seal. Take a good look at the one in the cover too. CFM never greases them much at the factory. I grease mine every tome I have the cover off just for GP. If it goes bad it put all the strain on the inner one. Just my input. Good luck. 
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Offline 2strokejunkies

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2022, 07:30:08 PM »
hey guys , so i got a new wet clutch , one way bearing , gaskets and all , got it back together and the noise is still bad and bike jumps ahead when u shift into gear. Now to confirm the arrow on one way goes to motor side or facing me. Also the clutch housing has grooves cut inside ,is this normal.

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Offline 2strokejunkies

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2022, 07:54:15 PM »
I put it all together on bench and i can turn ckutch shaft counterclockwise but is very tough , bur it doesnt turn clockwise. Wonder if i can justvtake the grooves out with my lathe.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2022, 08:23:31 PM »
I know this. As far as the one-way, the engine has to idle, and looking at it it turns clockwise, without engaging the oneway so, you should be able to turn the shaft counter-clockwise and it should turn free. It should lock turning clockwise. As for the bell, this is the only photo I can find of a new one and it doesn't have any groves. Taking out the grooves increases the distance the shoes have to expand to make contact so higher RPMs and..the bell will become weaker as the material become thinner and could crack...and knowing Chinese minimal standards as they are...it most likely will come apart under load. Just my opinion but I think you need to replace the shaft and both shaft bearings if you haven't already. Sounds like one is bad and if it is, the other is probably near it's limits. The one in the cover is a MF'r to get out but heat is your friend...and re-pack the new one before going back in. They don't put much in them in China.

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Offline 2strokejunkies

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2022, 08:35:22 PM »
thxs for the reply,i can't turn the clutch counter clockwise when the bike is off. THe one way bearing has an arrow on it and i have that facing the motor/wet clutch , is this correct? The bike runs and the noise has gone away but the bike takes off in gear and its super hard to try and shift gears. I own a rzr xp 1000 and have never seen such a poor clutch setup on a bike. I will order a new bell and change those bearings but they seem to be ok with no play.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2022, 07:42:37 AM »
You should be able to turn the shaft counterclockwise and NOT clockwise. The fact that you can't turn it counterclockwise indicates the one-way is in backwards regardless of what the arrow says.
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Offline 2strokejunkies

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2022, 05:43:32 PM »
I tried the one way both ways when had it all on the bench, i watched a video that a guy was turnig it on bench. So if i can t turn the clutch counter and i aswitch one way and still get same result then where do i go. This all started one day driving the bike and it staring making the noise i shared in a video on here and then i wasnt able to shift it from any gear.. I have anew oneway,wet clutch, seal. Maybe i need a new bell and oneway again even though it hasnt left the shop.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2022, 06:22:47 PM »
I think I recall saying it should have a new bell..because on the groves.. as well as both barrings for sure. Once installed the shaft should spin counterclockwise and not clockwise. 
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Offline 2strokejunkies

Re: clutch makaing loud whinning noise
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2022, 08:35:05 PM »
Hey guys , i finally got time with this bike and i have added new wet clutch, one way , bearings , clutch bell housing,new primary clutch,gaskets and it still makes crazy noise and if i move 3 ft it stalls and i cant shift. Once together i tested the one way and i can turn counter clockwise and its smooth and not clockwise. I followed all torque specs and i dont understand it seems like the wet clutch shoes are the culprit but its all new.