[Killer Kilgore]

Hello all,

Just bought a new (to me) 2013 CF600-5. From looking over the forum, I understand it is aka SWAT or Rancher. The machine has low miles 265. I asked the owner repeated it mileage was correct. If speedo was ever disconnected and reconnect later. He assured me mileage was correct and never disconnected. Said it was his wife's and wasn't driven a lot.

Anyway, my question is, how easy should these roll when the park brake is off and machine is in neutral. Seems like it a lot of throttle to get it moving.

The machine is kinda loud. Can't hold a conversation with passenger without shouting.

The previous owner replaced the right rear axle. Due to boot being ripped and mud getting in CV joint. I see that the axle is new. But has a space on the top of the seal(?) where the axle goes in the differential housing (hogs head). But the bottom has no space. And the driver's side is flush top and bottom. Think I'm going to try and "tap" the top in. Just want to know if that would hurt anything. I'll take a pic and upload once I start working on it.

I'm going to jack up each wheel and see how easy they spin. To see if a brake may be sticking or something.

Sorry about the long read.

Thanks in advance.

Killer Kilgore.

[NMKawierider]

Welcome. Can't answer all your questions but- it should roll by hand on the flat in neutral pretty easy unless there is a dragging brake or something else like low tires, bad wheel bearing...ect. And all CFMs, especially the early ones are very loud and hard on the ears. As for the axle you will just have to play with it. It should be the same gap...or no gap...all the way around. See what movement you have by hand first.

[Killer Kilgore]

Thanks for the reply.

Was able to rock the machine back and forth so nothing is locked up with wheels. Tires were a little low so correct that issue.

The axle thing was just the thin metal dust cover(?) around the axle shaft that goes into hogs head. Was able to push it back on by hand. May have to add a little silicone to keep it in place.

Got to dig a little deeper to see if I can quiet the thing down some. Maybe a noise absorb barrier.

Is there some way to buff the windshield. Has a lot of scratches. Nothing deep just a little hard to see.

Was going to repair the wires going to front turn signals. But both bulb holders are AWOL.

Checked oil and it was low. Added 1/4 +- oil. Just read in a manual that the engine oil lubes the clutch. So would that make it take higher revs to move the machine?

Going to take the boss for a ride. Hope it grows on her. If not, it may have to be replaced.

Killer Kilgore

[NMKawierider]

Checked oil and it was low. Added 1/4 +- oil. Just read in a manual that the engine oil lubes the clutch. So would that make it take higher revs to move the machine?

Then it does have a wet clutch as well as the CVT. The oil won't makes any difference in engagement but should it run starved of oil for a prolonged period, it can cause the shoes to burn/glaze from inital slippage. Once they start that it will take a new clutch to fix...at least new shoes.

[doug80638]

There are two issues to consider; Engagement RPM and clutch slippage.

Engagement RPM is a factor of the weights in the CVT pushing out against the ramps as the CVT spins. The heavier the weights, the lower the engagement RPM, and vise-versa.

Clutch slippage is a different matter. If the clutch is slipping, the machine will move slowly at almost any RPM.

So, if the issue is the RPM at which the CVT engages, and the machine accelerates well with increased RPM after engagement, then the clutch is fine, and you just need to add some heavier weights if you want to lower the engagement RPM. Or leave it alone and live with it. What RPM is engagement at on your machine?

If the issue is that the vehicle is slow at high RPM or acceleration is inconsistent with engine RPM, then there are two things to consider. The first is the type of oil used in the engine. If the oil is not rated for a wet clutch, it can induce clutch slippage. Usually, this will correct itself with an oil change and a few hours of operation. The second, if the oil is rated for wet clutch use, is that the material on the clutch is either fouled or worn. Not likely with only 265 miles on the clock, but possible since you don't know how the machine was treated before you bought it. Being down 1/4 quart is not going to starve the clutch.

So, nail down the behavior as your first diagnostic, and then decide which tact to take.


 

[Killer Kilgore]

Thanks for the reply and info.

I don't think the clutch is slipping too much.  It's pulls good. The acceleration is good. After wife and I came back from our ride, went on a solo ride to play in a little mud and a little climb. It did good. Not as good as my foreman but did OK. 4 wheel drive did good. Differential lock did good. Dug the last 10 ft up the hill but it was wet and about a 40°ish incline.

Since the thing is 8 years old, could the clutch belt material be wore out? If I replace the belt, what else should I change as long as I'm that deep into it. Looks as if the gas tank has to come out before taking the cover off engine. Is there a repair manual available for the beast at low cost aka free.

The oil I used was atv 5-30 from auto zone. I plan on a complete oil and filter change soon. Read here somewhere somebody said they use Rotella T6. Thoughts?

Don't  know the RPMs there no tach on the machine. I've got a tiny tack knock-off that I am going to install. I was just going by how loud the engine sounded and thought it was high rpm.

There has to be some way to make this a litter quieter. It's just too loud inside the cab. If I can't going to have to get earplugs or muffs.  Cab is not enclosed. Just the ROPS, roof, and windshield. Just a lot of engine noise I guess. Maybe the sound is bouncing off the bed back into cab. I can make something to try to contain the sound to engine compartment.

Also need a good affordable  source for parts. The front brake pads are gone. If I don't change soon it will need rotors also. Good thing the engine braking works good. Would the engine braking be a sign of good compression?

[doug80638]

Look for oil with a JASO MA rating. T6 has that rating and is very well accepted by ATV owners.

The brake pads are small and thin when new, so don't expect them to have lots of meat on them. What makes you think they are bad with only 265 miles on them?

These things come from the factory loud. You will have to get inventive if you want to quiet it down. Clark may have some tips in this area.

I would not worry about the belts age. No need to be taking apart such a young machine. Just ride and enjoy it.

[Killer Kilgore]

Doug80638, I see your location is NH. I have to be up that way for work next week. Seabrook, NH for a new BJs thats going in. I'll be in Seabrook for a month pulling network cable and stuff. How's the weather up there.

No riding for me, but the wife will probably  have 1000+ miles when I get back.

I know the brake pads are thin but the ones on this machine are gone. I'll get some pics in a few. Don't know how the pads could be wore that bad with only 265 miles. Even if some one had a foot on brake and gas at same time for 265 miles. That would be the only way. I'm starting to think the guy I got it from must have been related to a dealer. Saying anything to make the sale.


Started thinking about the belt and clutch after I made the post. I think I'm going to take your advice. Just change the oil and filter and repair the turn signal. Add a stereo and speakers, extra lights, CB radio, sound deadening material, maybe a diy snorkel and complete doors and ride until something brakes.

I've got too many other projects to complete before I start taking this thing apart. Got 2 boats to complete and sale. A truck to clean out and sale. Not to mention a storage building to clean out. Along with the honey do list that I have not completed  from last year. Leveling low spots in driveway and yard. I'm wore out just thinking about it. LOL

[doug80638]

It's snowing today.

Went for a ride this morning with some club members over at Pawtuckaway State Park in the Raymond/Nottingham area. A couple of hours in the woods and hills and in the camping areas. Real pretty with all the snow.

Treacherous driving home; cars all over the place and one propane tractor trailer jackknifed on Rt 102 in Derry blocking the entire road. Very slippery today.

[Killer Kilgore]

Glad you made it back OK.

Here is the front driver brake shoes and rotor. Looks gone to me.

[Killer Kilgore]

What is the purpose of this?

[Killer Kilgore]

Just a couple video.

15 seconds. After looking at hill. Guess it more like a 30° hill.

6 minutes. And should have been in low going up the road. But the machine is acting better the more I'm on it. May have been the adding oil. Or just getting use to it. I don't know.

[NMKawierider]

Might just be me but it seems to be struggling a bit. Thought those old 600s had more then that. I know the Zs sure did. That brake disk is shot but there is still some pad left. Wonder if it's dragging. The fan is to blow air over the exhaust to stop heat built-up. Years ago CFM had some fires and it was said it was caused from heat build-up. That was their solution. 

[Killer Kilgore]

Was able to rock back and forth in neutral so not sure about the brakes. But don't know why with only 265 miles. The previous owner may have sold bridges as well. LOL I'm the 3rd owner as far as I can tell from title. Still not a bad little machine.
If nothing else, I'll clean it up get stuff right as I can and pass it along to someone else. Maybe recoup some of my money.

I'm just going to have to wait until it warms up some to check compression, change plug, change oil, and things of that nature. Maybe it will straighten up after plug and oil.  It was 33 today and suppose to be 20 tonight.

I'll be up in Doug's neck of the woods for a month and not able to work on anything except the job.

Thanks for the help.

[doug80638]

Being that old, and so few miles, I wonder if the rotors rusted and this is the result. They look pretty tore up.

I'm only 40 minutes from Seabrook. Old stomping grounds for most of my life.

Stop by the 401 Tavern in Hampton for lunch or dinner. Great atmosphere and great food.