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Offline Gilbert Davis

Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« on: March 21, 2017, 08:33:39 PM »
Hello, my name is Gil Davis, I have not bought a cfmoto yet I've studied them, I'm torn between Z or the Wolverine.
I would appreciate any info from folks who have them are they well made, reliable, how is the suspension also the accessory equip. Winch, roof, tires mags fenders etc.
Going to look at one, this wk. tks gang

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2017, 08:53:13 PM »
Welcome. You will find the fit and finish is pretty good. The EX has very good suspension and travel. And the 800 will far out perform the 700 in many ways. Now know that Yamaha's reliability and durability is legendary and no machine I know of can compare. But CFM can hold its own for a Chinese company. All the accessories are pretty good. I didn't like the tires but that's me. 
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline Gilbert Davis

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 12:10:40 AM »
Tks. for the info I noticed you've added and replaced some pts that came on the unit, I have watched ur videos.
Now the price difference is a few thousand more for the Wolverine r-spec SE I'm wondering if it's worth the extra price( Bering in mind I need a winch and other goodies, probably near 20,000 all said and done.
Is the new Z 1000 more improved on from the 800.
I am not a hard rider only logging roads and easy none aggressive, no deep mud rock crawling, me and the dogs up the mts. What would u think

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Offline Gilbert Davis

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 10:45:44 AM »
Any info on dates for this show, I don't imagine there's any plans for Vancouver, I really appreciate the honesty on the product, Tks. a bunch it's a tough call

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Offline gfmoto

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 09:01:06 PM »
Just my opinion I think the 800 would be just fine especially that you aren't an aggressive driver.  I too looked at the wolverines and the Viking. I was ready to pull the trigger on the Viking until I drove the Zforce. The 800ex out powered and out handled the Viking and was more secure to me than the wolverine. 
And the molded plastic that Yamaha or Polaris or whoever uses SCRATCHES so easily. The salesman was showing me how just rubbing your finger on it makes bad scratches (trying to get an upsale on the painted model)


CFMoto             Yamaha
1year warranty.      6 month
800cc.                700cc.
Twin cylinder.      Single cylinder.
Extras included.   Extras$$$.

Yamaha is legendary, but I have been everywhere the rzr1000 turbos, wolverines, Vikings, and pioneers have gone.
CFMoto never let me down yet with their warranty and parts and service. 
And now with more accessories than ever available at almost half the price..... well.
2015 ZForce 800EX
32" light bar
2-4" spots
Custom Cv guards
DIY 1/2 windshield
UNI air filter
DIY rear window
BOSS ATV 28. 450W speakers
Alpena Rock Lights (tough pods)
2" RZR Bracket lift
Roof extensions
27" Maxxis Corranado Tires
Alpena RGB rock lights
SuperATV Rocksliders
1/2 Doors w/custom paint and graphics

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Offline Gilbert Davis

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 11:56:52 AM »
Tks. so much how is the suspension,tires,etc. I read that fellows comment in the form that was on about broken frame and no parts for 10 wks. what do u think of that, there is a big factory in Quebec, CA that sounds odd, where do u ride.
My nearest dealer is Sicamous, BC about 500 km from me, but they will be building one closer soon ? hope to hear back from u, tks again

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2017, 12:49:28 PM »
Tks. so much how is the suspension,tires,etc. I read that fellows comment in the form that was on about broken frame and no parts for 10 wks. what do u think of that, there is a big factory in Quebec, CA that sounds odd, where do u ride.
My nearest dealer is Sicamous, BC about 500 km from me, but they will be building one closer soon ? hope to hear back from u, tks again
No one's ever broke a frame before and we are starting to think that post was from a Trol. Probably don't want to jump them like an X3 or a YXZ or a Polaris turbo but..parts have never been an issue. Now some dealers are issues...but that's not CFM's fault.
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline Gilbert Davis

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2017, 03:53:03 PM »
Tks. It's sounding more encouraging all the time, I do not jump I ride logging roads with my dogs so there normally off leash, I will need to put skid plates on I'm sure u can get them from "side by side stuff" where do u ride, tks

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2017, 04:06:14 PM »
I ride in the mountain trails, fire roads, rocky stuff and deserts. The skids that came with it do OK, but needed side protection so I made my own but someday I would like to get a set from Iron-Baltic. They have a nice full aluminum set
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline Gilbert Davis

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 07:05:51 PM »
Tks. I've seen ur videos very nice, I've ridden around Florence Ariz. before a few yrs ago was nice area if u get away from all the prisons, lol when I had my Kawi Teryx, Tks so much for ur helpful

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2017, 12:11:32 PM »
the only other one I have driven is a wolverine, the guy I ride with owns it. He beats the living piss out of that thing and it holds up pretty good doesn't leave him stranded, it is less sporty feeling. his father flipped it doin a donut he let off and it gripped and flipped. It is a lot louder than my machine and vibrates more. He needs a lot of stuff for it now but that's because he has done nothing to maintain it other than change the fluids and really beats the bag outta it, needs bushings, aarms, radiator, and body parts that have been through drunken hell rides. I feel it is a more reliable machine than my 800ex, I am faster and have more suspension travel and ground clearance.  The wolverine would last longer I have no doubt under the same conditions.

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Offline dragonmac

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2017, 01:24:34 PM »
Gil ...be sure to check out the Canadian dealers warranty // 2 years bumper to bumper OR 5 year powertrain ...compare to all the others at 6-12 months  ;D

« Last Edit: April 04, 2017, 02:48:04 PM by NMKawierider »
2012 zforce 600 snyper
Kaw 650 v-twin atv
Honda 450 foreman es
Javelin 130 hp Bass
24' Grumann Pontoon

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Offline gfmoto

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2017, 11:30:10 PM »
Does the Canadian Z still come with Elka shocks??  If they do that's another huge difference.  And as far as the wolverines "lasting longer". I don't know if that's exactly true. 
This kid had his in this mud hole and 1/2 his headlights were FILLED with muddy water. 
When they got it out it sat running and sounded like it was ready to die.  The handling sucks on them and that single cylinder 700 cc isn't exactly up to the quality Yamaha is know for. Oh and did I mention your first service call (under warranty) and very recommended by Yamaha and their dealers that the first one is to be done by the dealer, will cost you $150.
CFM dealer did my first service $20.
2015 ZForce 800EX
32" light bar
2-4" spots
Custom Cv guards
DIY 1/2 windshield
UNI air filter
DIY rear window
BOSS ATV 28. 450W speakers
Alpena Rock Lights (tough pods)
2" RZR Bracket lift
Roof extensions
27" Maxxis Corranado Tires
Alpena RGB rock lights
SuperATV Rocksliders
1/2 Doors w/custom paint and graphics

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2017, 06:49:28 AM »
theres a reason first services are more expensive, they are supposed to check over everything tighten certain things and what not, my first service on my Z1000 motorcycle was $250. CFM doesn't do much for checking things over, as told by all the loose bolts right off the dealer floor (first hand knowledge). The Yamaha 700cc engine may not be the most powerful but it takes a beating. I have witnessed the beating my friend puts his machine through, I wouldn't dare. But I like to take care of my stuff. My machine has been to the dealer a few times, his has never been.

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Offline gfmoto

Re: Info on Zforce 800 & 1000 ex
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2017, 07:10:13 AM »
I understand your frustration, and MY dealer went over everything, including changing out the air filter to a UNI. Checked for torque on bolts, even drove the hour and a half each way (3 hour round trip). Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with your Z. But for every "GOOD" machine there is also some "BAD" ones. Likewise some dealers just out right suck at being a dealer. Some JUST want the sale then after that, you're on your own. Some (like mine) are great to deal with and want to make sure they keep selling the brand. I know my share of "Junk" Yamaha's, RZR's, Honda's, Kawasaki's, Ford, Chevy, etc etc.  I'm glad your buddy can beat the snot out of his and hasn't had a problem. But I can assure you ALL of these are machines and ONLY as strong as its weakest part. Usually that part is the human that put it together.

Little disappointed in yamaha as a company with the wolverine and the new grizzly.

Im a HUGE yamaha fan boy.. I've had them all my 24 riding years so far... sleds, bikes on and off, sport and utilty quads, watercraft a rhino....No real problems ever..

I bought a new 16 wolverine and a 16 grizzly a month ago. I simply love the Yamaha name, the quality... After all they are the largest manufacturer of engines, they build / design their own engines and components right? WRONG... at least with the 2016 wolverine and grizzly this isn't the case. ( just so happens to be the two I have and know of so far)
This new "708 DOHC motor" thats used in them is not even thoroughbred Yamaha... Its a joint design between yamaha and Robin and built by Subaru for Yamaha obviously. Does it mean its a pile, Id bet no.... Subaru is a good Japanese company also but not what I expected..
Lets move on to the running gear, the diffs ( front and rear ) are NOT built by by Yamaha... They are made by a company called Tuff Torq, you know, the company that makes those junk rear ends for the low end big box store lawn mowers and snow blowers for MTD and the low end John Deere line. Just goggling them will leave a bad taste in your mouth.

I bought a Yamaha because I wanted a Yamaha. I kinda wonder what they actually make on this? Probably not much at this point. Maybe the frame and a-arms?

My local dealer has had a few 2016 708's back in at under 20 HRS. Casting flaws causing oil leaks, coolant in the oil, and a oil burner.
All three of these sat in that shop for long weeks to a few months before Yamaha made a move. They replaced one with a new unit with the casing flaw and repaired the others finally.
The shop said they were having getting even simple parts for them and Yamaha is NOT offering a complete motor for them at all incase someone has a complete failure such as the casting issue. The reason behind this is speculated that they don't have enough extra parts or engines to pull off the production lines even after 9 mo of production..

I haven't had a moments trouble out of mine yet, I have few hours on both. Many ppl have several thousand miles so far on the new 708 motors. I cannot comment anything else than the facts i was able to share with you here. I maybe overreacting a bit but I am feeling let down... If i wanted a mixed matched unit i would have saved thousands of dollars and bought a Polaris.....
Out sourcing is nothing new to lots of companies, but its not a Yamaha tradition.. Are they trying to cut costs? Dealer thinks its a little cost cutting and possibly they don't plan to use this motor very long so they didn't want to set up the tooling to build it in house. We all know if yamaha makes something its stays the same for a long wile as when they got a good thing they don't fix it.

Let me know what you guys think about this... Id love to feel better after paying 24K bucks...

http://www.wolverineforums.com/forum/9-wolverine-general-discussion/1442-little-disappointed-yamaha-company-wolverine-new-grizzly.html
2015 ZForce 800EX
32" light bar
2-4" spots
Custom Cv guards
DIY 1/2 windshield
UNI air filter
DIY rear window
BOSS ATV 28. 450W speakers
Alpena Rock Lights (tough pods)
2" RZR Bracket lift
Roof extensions
27" Maxxis Corranado Tires
Alpena RGB rock lights
SuperATV Rocksliders
1/2 Doors w/custom paint and graphics