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#76
Not sure how helpful this will be but ...

I'm 5'8" and have the G2 800 Trail. The wheelbase and width of the G2 800 and G2 950 are the same, although I've seen others report they "felt" there was more room in the 950.  Not sure where or how they might be feeling that extra room.

Sitting in the driver's seat I feel my feet are not quite touching the pedals and I have to slide the seat forward.  There's about 4-5" of movement in the driver's side seat; the passenger side seat is fixed. Sitting on the passenger side my feet don't reach the firewall bulkhead.

So other than price, more HP and a slightly higher top-end speed it doesn't seem (to me) that there's very much difference between the G2 800 Trail and the G2 950 Trail.  In the G2 models at least, they are both built pretty much using the same components from what I can tell looking at the Service Manual.  As a gearhead friend of mine pointed out, the engine difference is probably just using a bigger bore or longer stroke on the 950 Sport and Trail.
#77
What year is your ZForce and exactly which model do you have?  The Gen2 ZForce 950 Trail and 950 Sport use the same wire harness as the Gen2 800 Trail and I have the Service Manual with wiring diagrams.  Unfortunately the wire diagrams don't identify any of the wires by color and they're printed in the manual in 11x17" sheets making them extremely difficult to read.  I've tried blowing them up a bit (for my aging eyes) but haven't had a lot of success.  The originals are in pretty low resolution so blowing them up generally produces a fuzzy diagram.
#78
Quote from: TheHermit on August 25, 2023, 10:55:47 AM
I had issue with a new CFMoto OEM flasher, did not work. I bought an aftermarket on Amazon, signals worked. I plugged the OEM flasher back in, it now works...

I saw a post on this someplace when I was doing my research, and it may have been one that you made.  The CFMoto Flasher does seem to be way over-engineered for what is needed.  (I base this on the simple wire harness and setup I engineered for turn signals and hazard lights I did for my old Honda Pioneer using just a simple flasher, diodes, LED lights and switches I got off Amazon.)  Can't explain why your first attempt to use the OEM flasher didn't work though, unless it was something as simple as a dirty connection or loose connection.  One thing for others to keep in mind here is that the flasher on the Gen1 (pre-2023 models) like you 2022 is simpler and replaceable with non-CFMoto parts, whereas the Gen2 (2023 model) uses a different flasher which, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't have a non-CFMoto replacement.
#79
If you're looking for a rear window mesh screen that fits the 2023 ZForce 800 Trail G2 (Gen2), I found this one on Amazon that's a perfect fit at a pretty reasonable price.  It looks kind of small coming out of the bag, but when you install it with the supplied bungie cords it fits nice and tight without any wrinkles or flapping in the breeze.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BV18TVK?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
#80
I've posed a PDF in the How-To section on how to install factory turn signals on the 2023 Gen2 Zforce 800/950 Trail and 950 Sport.  I included a bit more information on the legal procedures needed to actually license a UTV as Street Legal as well.  The process works well and I used it on my previous UTV.  Hoping it helps those who wish to follow in my footsteps.
#81
This is my writeup for making my ZForce 800 Trail street legal, which involves installing horn and turn signals.  According to my Service Manual the 950 Trail and 950 Sport Gen2 are all common with the 800 Trail, so I suspect the same installation procedures would apply.

Minor update clarifying location of connectors in right rear quarter panel.

Additional update adding info on street legal tire upgrades and wiring for license plate light and trailer wiring.

Minor update to correct color of flasher connector under dash.

Corrected part numbers listed for connectors.

Updated horn parts list for a less expensive CFMoto horn kit.
#82
OK, answering my own question here since I got it figured out and working.  On the 2023 ZForce Trail 800 Gen2 you have a choice of either backup lights or rear turn signals.  On the passenger side behind the rear quarter panel there are two connectors in the wiring harness, one labeled "Turn Signals" and the other labeled "Backup lights" (in Chinese of course). The wire harness coming from the tail lights and trailer connector has a single connector that either of these, but not both, can be plugged into.  I'll do a full writeup on what is necessary to convert the US model into a World model to be street legal along with the CFMoto parts list and suppliers if anyone is interested.
#83
My research so far seems to indicate the Gen2 for 2023 comes in two type - one for the US and one for the rest of the world.  The world version comes fully street legal.  My assumption was that to minimize supply chain issues and parts inventory they'd try and keep the builds as similar as possible and just eliminate some parts in the US version like the horn, mirrors, turn signals and license plate holder and light.  Checking parts inventory in both the US and Canada doesn't turn up any differences in front or rear light assemblies, and installing the flasher and turn signal switch got the front turn signals to work.  I've got the wiring diagrams for all the Gen2 and it doesn't show separate wiring harness for the US version vs the World version.  Thing like the horn wiring were in place and worked. I also see wiring for the optional heater and a few other things under the dash I haven't identified yet.  At this point I'm assuming there's a connector in the harness which isn't plugged in that activates the rear turn signals in both the light assembly and the trailer connector.  I haven't disassembled the tail lights yet, but it appears there is a row of LEDs in them that aren't activated by the running lights or brake lights and I've assumed they must be the turn signals.  So I'm still stumped.

BTW, from what I've seen in my research the Gen1 units (prior to 2023) all did have different head and tail light assemblies for units with and those without turn signals.  There's only one part number for the Gen2 (2023) units for headlights and taillights and it's the same for US and non-US (Canadian) configurations.  Since the headlight assemblies on my 2023 do have amber turn signal LEDs in them I'm assuming the read light assemblies also have them, but someplace they're not connected.  I also checked the fuse box and there's nothing in there for only the rear lights.
#84
Trying to get turn signals installed on this UTV. Got the CFMoto parts for the flasher, turn signal switch and hazard lights and installed them. Get front turn signals and hazard lights but nothing in the rear.  Quick probe on the trailer connector shows no signals there either.  Checking the wiring diagram it shows lines in the harness going from the flasher to the light assemblies front and rear though.  Is there a plug someplace in the harness that isn't connected in by default, or are the rear lights not wired up.  (There is a 3 pin  connector under the hood that isn't connected with a label that says "connect for power". Anyone know what that is for?)  Seems strange there's nothing on the trailer connector and even stranger still that everything else is in the harness and works - front turn signals, horn, etc.  Thanks in advance!
#85
Not cheap, but ...

https://www.nflowmotorsports.com/product/zforce-800-trail/

You could try searching on AliExpress.  There are CFMoto engine rebuild kits there for various other CFMoto products.  Things on AliExpress can be hit or miss on quality, but AliExpress has always stood behind any purchase I've made if it turns out to be bogus and given me a full refund.
#86
Just bought a new 2023 Gen2 Zforce Trail 800 and getting it all ready for a full week on the trails.  Built a small bracket to mount an extra gas can and refreshment cooler that mounts in the back.  Got my trail sticker for riding the trails I'm headed to and waiting on my Texas title so I can transfer the title to South Dakota and get it licensed to be street legal. (For those who don't know, Texas doesn't register or license UTVs for the street, but they honor valid registrations from other States.)

Working on getting my US version converted to a Canadian version by adding turn signals, horn and getting it licensed so I can easily get from campground to trail head.  If anyone is interested, I've put together the list of the CFMoto parts needed to do this (it's pretty much plug-and-play).  So far I've got everything plugged in and working except I'm not getting rear turn signals to light up.  I suspect it's a missing fuse or an unplugged connection in the wire harness but I haven't tracked it down yet.  The front turn signals work, the hazard flasher works, the horn works, etc.
#87
Take this with a grain of salt from someone with a new 2023 Zforce Trail 800 who is working on installing turn signals. My observations may or may not apply to the Uforce 1000XL.  What I've found with the Gen2 Trail 800 (new for 2023) is they're building two variants, one for the US and one for the rest of the world.  The only differences are in the US version they eliminated the license plate holder and light, the horn, the side mirrors,  the switches for the turn signals, the flasher module, horn and hazard lights. Everything else seems to be in place and usable if one installs the "missing" parts. The wiring is complete and the light assemblies have the turn signal lights already installed. (The front for sure, I'm still trying to figure out why the rear ones aren't working.)  I do have a complete CFMoto parts list of the missing items for the Trail 800 and I have a Maintenance Manual.