Well even closer now. Larry Speck responded back and said all the lights he has now are spoken for with the kits. He did direct me to a source on Amazon.

https://a.co/d/5XmGF5R

He did let me know that it usually takes some time for delivery. Amazon shows delivery between Sep 4-11. But now I had the info to search more. They were the only ones I could find on Amazon. But I also decided to take a look at eBay. There I found several listings including this one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/375466352386
They show delivery between Aug 26-28.


The eBay seller also lists best offer so I made a bid of $8.50. Just waiting to hear back. I think I will order these either way.

Ok, I may be back in business and think there is an easier way. And it still involves the grey 8 pin socket in the rear. I was looking for more information and stumbled on a web page of a guy down in Texas. The website is here: https://speckhobbies.com/ols/products/blinker-wiring-kit-red
He is a hobbiest and put together a budget kit to get the rear turn signals working through the grey connector.


His kit also involves a lot of sourcing the OEM stuff on your own such as the OEM turn signal switch, hazard switch, and flasher. He also provided a link at Amazon for wire nut clips to make mounting the flasher unit to firewall. I thought that there would be threaded holes there and found out otherwise. I couldn't figure out how to use bolts and nuts so I zip ties instead. I'm going to pick up the wire nut clips and do it right. [size=78%]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09RV82B25?ie=UTF8&th=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=bamspeck-20&linkId=c5e1c40ade8c14d8c9d1a5ce48ff1cb4&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl[/size]


His kit has a jumper that plugs into a 9 pin socket under the dash. I checked and I do have that. I included a photo of that below. His kit also provides a 8 pin wired connector that plugs in to rear 8 pin socket. By plugging that 9 pin jumper into socket under the dash, it provides feeds for the turn signals in rear grey socket. He also has a custom wiring harness for rear to connect left and right turn signals. Much easier to access than the connectors behind the right quarter panel.


And one thing I really like is that he was able to source LED lights that replace the rear reflectors. I have been searching high and low and had wanted to do something similar. There is some drilling involved for wire holes but it will be hidden. I'm going to reach out to him and see where he found these.


After learning about the 9 pin jumper, I reached back out to Kinnettick about purchasing theirs. I had an opportunity to buy it when I bought the connector with leads but thought it wouldn't be needed. If I had bought it then, it would have been $8. But buying it separately, it was $12. Still pretty reasonable.


If I hadn't started getting many of the extra components on my own already, I would have happily bought the kit from Speck Hobbies for $70. But once I have the jumper, I can run my own rear wiring. I just need the information on where to buy those reflector lights.


I think I'm on the home stretch now!


P.S. In your Street Legal PDF instructions, you mentioned that the socket to plug into the flasher was a grey socket. In my case, it appears that it was a black socket. It was the one long enough to reach the flasher unit. Everything seems to be working correctly up front except for the hyper flashing when using the left or right turn signals. Hazards flash at normal speed. Is that hyper flashing normal?

Now that you mention it, I don't remember them demonstrating the reverse lights. They did demonstrate the turn signals flashing what normally is the brake light. And in their description, nothing is mentioned about reverse lights so maybe it doesn't retain that function?

On another note, everything showed up on my doorstep today so I dove in. Horn is installed. Rear lighted license plate holder on and working. Turn signal flasher is hooked up but I ended up zip tying it under dash. Hazard switch in and flashes both left and right indicators on display and up front (of course). Turn signal switch works as well but indicators and front turn signals hyper flash.

The plug in trailer harness was a bust. No feed for left or right turn signals. I didn't test for brake light but it did have power for running lights. So I tried tracking down that junction for the reverse/turn signal connectors on left rear. I took off the fender flares as well as another plastic guard under there that helps protect gas tank. I could not locate any kind of wires for rear lighting. I ended up stopping for the night and figured I would ask for help.

Any tips or clues on how to find those connectors? It seems like that's what I will end up doing. I have little 3.7" x .7" red LED fixtures that I plan on using. I just need to get a feed I can use. They are small enough that I can mount them easily just about anywhere. And if I can just find the rear connector, I'm sure I can figure out the mating connector to plug in to it. I am really trying to avoid running new wires from the front all the way to the back of I don't have to.

I broke down and ordered that harness from Kinnetick Kreations. I figure I've wasted $20 on dumber things over the years so if it doesn't work, oh well. Before ordering it, I had a brief email conversation with owner and discovered that the connector on that harness is the correct mate for the 8 pin trailer connector. I also found that in their kit, they do use a custom module for powering the rear but through the factory wiring harness. They have a custom rear harness that gets plugged into the 8 pin trailer connector and routed to both taillights. The factory taillight wiring gets unplugged and their harness plugged in to the taillights. Then the taillight and reverse function stays the same but the brake light is now both the brake and turn signal.

On their 8 pin adapter that they sell separately, it has 6 leads coming off it. Yesterday I removed the grey connector from its mount and confirmed what I thought and CFMoto only has 5 wires attached to the grey trailer adapter. During my email conversation, the owner of Kinnetick wasn't sure if these Zforces do have turn signal feeds through the 8 pin connector but said maybe it might work. He said they didn't really care because they bypass the factory stuff in their kit anyway but I could try and see what happens. I ordered the connector with leads and it should arrive today.

I also ordered the OEM flasher switch, Hazard switch, and the flasher and they are arriving today as well. Once I have those all plugged in, I can check and see if I get the same results as you.

I know I said maybe a winter project, I just couldn't help myself... I pretty much gave up on getting turn signal function in OEM taillights and plan on wiring up aftermarket clearance lights to use for turn signals. I ordered those from Amazon and they took should be arriving today.

You are probably going to be correct and it's not going to work. I'm just stubborn and have to find out for myself. But like you mentioned, if it doesn't work, the swappable connectors that would under the passenger fender is an alternative to get power to turn signals and a jumper harness could be made up.

To be continued...

I just found this adapter. It will plug right into that vehicle side trailer connector and each pin and wire is labeled. I will bet the wire colors don't correspond to the Zforce harness but that doesn't really matter.
https://www.kinnettickreations.com/product-page/2022-cf-moto-zforce-950-whip-light-pigtails

This would make having rear turn signals real easy to power. It does mention a jumper might be needed to get rear turn signals working in some cases so this will still take a little more research.

That full turn signal kit is nice but a bit pricey. I wouldn't mind having lever on the steering shaft. And extra running lights up front would be cool. But I want to go the budget diy route.



Edited to update.


Although the Kinnettick harness did plug in fine, CFMoto only has ground, running lights, and most likely brake lights active (but didn't test for that) in trailer connector. So this isn't a workable solution.

I finally tracked down the correct trailer wiring adapter but appears it is available over in Europe but not US. Im still doing some more research on it. It has the correct 8 pin socket to plug into the trailer wiring socket at rear of passenger side wheel well. It is part number 9DQV-800200-3000

This may be a winter project so not sure when I will tackle it but I will see what I find with my multimeter when I do. Thank you for the help and think I have pretty much most of the info I will need. I will update once I have more answers.

@bobinmurphy like I mentioned, I haven't seen the reverse wiring connector or swappable turn signal connector hidden behind the rear passenger fender. Is there any chance you have photos of these? Or can you confirm that they both are 3 wire connectors?

I agree that a multimeter is going to be my best friend on this. I know on Japanese bikes, green is very common for the ground wire so it seems like it may be here as well.

I have only seen reverse lights incorporated in larger trailers that use a 7 pin connector but reverse lights on trailers overall isn't very common. The smaller trailers like could be used with a Zforce, I have never seen have a reverse light so I would be very surprised if any of the wires used in trailer kit are posted on by reverse.

On the trailer kit and the harness that would connect between the socket and the trailer, it has a 5 to 4 converter on it. The wiring used on that 2nd harness do appear to be traditional trailer wire colors. The end of that harness has a flat 4 pin connector. The 5 to 4 converter shows the function of each of the 5 wires. Ground, left turn signal, right turn signal, brake, and taillight. On 5 to 4 outputs, the wires will be taillights, left, and right turn signal and when brakes are activated on vehicle, it will put power to both turn signals outputs with a steady on. It doesn't show reverse input or output on 5 to 4 converter so I'm fairly certain that reverse isn't a function of that harness.

And this would lead me to believe this Zforce main wiring is setup so the left right turn signals are independent of brake function otherwise a 5 to 4 converter wouldn't be needed on the 2nd trailer wiring harness. Although I haven't seen the hidden connectors under right rear that will switch the white reverse lights to be the turn signals, I would take a guess that it's a 3 pin/3 wire connector. I assume that one wire would be ground, 1 wire to left reverse light and 1 wire to right reverse light. When reverse gear is selected, power would be sent to both white lights and both white lights are illuminated. If connector is switched to the alternate connector so the white lights operate as turn signals, only one side of white lights should light up depending on if left or right signal is requested. But like I mentioned, I haven't seen the hidden connectors yet as I read they are a bit difficult to reach and would like to avoid doing this if possible.

Now I'm even more confused. Looking closer at the trailer wiring kit, I'm fairly convinced that it has completely different connectors than what exists to install it. The kit appears to be 6 pin connectors, both the white and the grey. The jumper harness does have 5 wires but the socket harness appears to only have 3 wires and appears to be a Sumitomo HW-6P
https://www.corsa-technic.com/item.php?item_id=872
which wouldn't work. I'm not even sure why this comes up when searching for trailer wiring kit for the 2023 ZForce 800. Also on the TT Motorsports the 2023 Zforce 800 Trail doesn't show up in the compatability list.

On the positive side, the dust plug on the factory wiring connector already appears to be a HW-8P and could be ready to wire up. It has 5 wires. Not completely clear of each function but shouldn't be too hard to figure out. Even without the turn signal switch or flasher, it should have power when tail lights are on and brake lights. From what I can see, the wire colors are white/yellow, orange, green, and 2 green/white wires I think. Not 100% on wires but pretty sure that's what I can see. If I can get my hands on a proper crimper, pins, and seals, I might be able to rig something up. I'm just not interested in hacking up that wiring.

Now I'm debating if it might be better to just tap into the wiring where the reverse lights connector can be swapped and grab power for turn signals there. I really don't want to eliminate the reverse lights feature and putting yellow tape over the white reverse light doesn't appeal to me. Decisions, decisions, ugh...

Well kind of a good news bad news thing. I have identified the grey connector with 99% certainty. It is a Sumitomo HW-8S and mates with a HW-8P
https://www.corsa-technic.com/item.php?item_id=875&category_id=130

I stand corrected about the 6 pin connector for the trailer wiring kit. When I looked on the CFMoto site under accessories for the 2023 Zforce 800, the photo I attached above was the only photo in description. It shows a 2 part kit with a white 6 pin connector that I assumed plugged into the main harness. When I searched the part number for the kit, 7020-800200-1000 I came to the TT Motorsports web page and there I found 3 photos in the description. The third photo is different from CFMoto Accessories page and instead shows 3 different parts of the kit instead of 2. The white connector is now on a jumper harness that looks like one side plugs into maybe an older Zforce setup on vehicle side and a grey connector on other side. And then the part of harness with socket that gets mounted now shows a grey Sumitomo HW-8P connector (instead of an unknown white 6 pin connector) that would most likely plug directly into the grey HW-8S connector on the 2023 Zforce. So jumper harness would not be necessary. The description of kit shows 3 part numbers and includes part number for jumper. Now I'm confused because both versions ( 2 part and 3 part kit) are shown in photos for the kit product number.
https://cfmoto.ttmotorsports.com/CFMOTO-Trailer-Wiring-Kit-CFORCE-ZFORCE-UFORCE-OEM-7020-800200-1000-p383333611

I am including photos of the dust cover and the existing connector mounted on the Zforce.Take a look at the dust cover inside along with the grey connector and then compare with the HW-8S including the location of the groove opposite the licking side and see if you come to same conclusion I did.

I will see what I can find out on identifying the connectors.

I took a closer look at the trailer kit. I can see that the plug that goes into the grey connector is a 6 pin (3 over 3) but seems like it will utilize only 5 of the pins. It also appears that there is a removable socket just a bit further down as part of the harness. The wiring colors coming out of that don't seem to correspond with wire colors coming out of that socket. However those wires appear to be standard colors. Looking further down from there, it utilizes/integrates a 5 to 4 converter. The wire functions and colors are clearly labeled both on input side as well as output. The good thing that this shows is the rear left and right turn signals are independent from the brake lights at the grey connector so that seems like the way to go. Here is photos.

Excellent info! Thank you. And I didn't even consider the trailer light connector. That would make it simple. I have considered getting the OEM trailer light harness anyway and that would make it a breeze. I would be much happier splicing into that extra trailer harness rather than any of the original harness.

As far as connectors, there are a few places I have used to get OEM style connectors for various motorcycles I have owned and there is a large variety so I think I could find one to match.

Here are 2 places that I have dealt with : https://www.cycleterminal.com/motorcycle-connectors.html and here https://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__Products/Connectors/connectors.html

I read the street legal PDF in the How To section about adding turn signals and horn using existing wire harness. Pretty straightforward it seems.

I saw that in rear taillight assemblies, they are setup on US models to have reverse lights but that there is the choice to switch and use the assembly for turn signals. And I'm aware that it's one of the other but not both. Now if I was to switch the function of reverse light to turn signals, is it still going to be a white light or will it change to be amber? If it remains white, it's probably better to leave it as a reverse light.

And since I have the choice of either reverse or turn, there must be separate feeds for each. Is there a possibility that I could just install additional lights to the rear and tap in to the turn signal rear feed? That would probably be much easier that installing a full aftermarket turn signal setup.

Actually new to the SxS world. Only background in them is with a buddy that owns 2 Can-Am UTV's and renting a Polaris Rzr to use at the Badlands Park in Attica IN over a year ago.

I just purchased a new 2023 Zforce 800 trail. Very attracted by the price and had researched them and many other brands and models. The Zforce had plenty of good reviews. Biggest must were a model that could easily fit inside my Wildwood FSX Toyhauler and my 7x16 R&R enclosed cargo trailer. Height was the biggest issue with the door opening height at just over 73". The 800 trail easily fit this bill. Width was perfect.

I live in SE Wisconsin but own 25 acres of wooded property about 25 miles SE of Valparaiso Indiana. I have been a bit limited on using the property but now having a decent side by side, I will be able to take more advantage of the land. Just need to carve out some trails which my 10 year old son is looking forward to so he can blast around on his dirt bike.