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#16
700 CL-X Sport / Re: Modifications, Accessories
July 25, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
Careful with exhaust mods (unless approved by CFMOTO). And I suspect there may not be any companies providing ECU Flash services yet.

CFMOTO LIMITED WARRANTY FOR USA

7. Noise Control System and Tampering: Federal law prohibits any of the following acts or causing
thereof:   
a) The removal or rendering inoperative by any person other than for purposes of maintenance, repair, or
replacement, of any device or element of design incorporated into any new vehicle for the purpose of
noise control prior to its sale or delivery to the ultimate purchaser or while it is in use.
b) The use of the vehicle after such device or element of design has been removed or rendered inoperative
by any person.
c) The use of aftermarket components or components that are not direct replacements of parts installed at
the time of vehicle manufacture.
d) Such components include but are not limited to; Mufflers, Exhaust pipes, Silencers, Air cleaner housing/
case, air cleaner element, or intake duct.
#17
700 CL-X Sport / Re: Modifications, Accessories
July 25, 2022, 03:29:38 PM
Unfortunately with CFMOTO just entering the US market, and aftermarket manufacturers designing to the Japanese Big Four for many years (like Vortex, SW-Motech, Puig, TST Industries Womet-Tech, Woodcraft, Rizoma, GB Racing) ... it will take some time to see much in the way of aftermarket bits and pieces.

I just removed the frame tube rubber plug, and the bolt head takes a 15mm socket head. Not sure of bolt size, thread, and length. I'm not going to remove it, as this bolt attaches upper part of motor to the frame (referred to as stressed member engine/frame). If removing this bolt to install a slider, I would recommend supporting the engine on a floor jack/platform of some sort, as the motor could easily drop just enough to not allow insertion of the slider bolt (same for any bike with stressed member engine/frame).

Second photo shows the end of frame bolt. Different than the Z900, which had no nut holding the bolt (bolt went directly into aluminum engine case). In my opinion, the CLX design is better. On the Z900, if you snapped that bolt... big frustration getting it out.
#18
Oil Filter - HIFLO FILTRO HF682

Installed by Authorized CFMOTO dealership at 600 mile Break-in Service

#19
700 CL-X Sport / Re: How are they ?
July 17, 2022, 11:36:32 AM
My previous motorcycle was a 2018 Kawasaki Z900, which I rode for 6,000 miles.

After taking a 50 mile demo ride with the CLX Sport, these were my first impressions compared to the Z900....

Suspension is great. It seemed like I could never get the Z soft enough, way too firm for my lazy fair weather riding style. I haven't adjusted the suspension yet, as it feels right for my 190 lb. weight and soaks up bumps nicely. I'm not sure what's going on in the back, if it's the swingarm design or the KYB shock (or both), but it's a good one for me. I was specifically riding over manhole covers, RR tracks, known rough road surfaces and never once did I feel the need to raise my butt up off the seat like I did with the Z.   

IMO, this is a well-designed bike and the fit and finish is as good as Japanese and European bikes. I did a thorough cleaning of the bike with close inspection of welds, hoses, wiring, cabling, switch gear, and panel attachments. The overall build is excellent.

After riding the CLX Sport for 700 miles, these are my impressions compared to the Z900....

When doing high-speed (85 mph) wide sweeping curves, leaning through short radius curves, and doing high-speed straight line runs... I feel more confident on the CLX Sport than I ever did on the Z. It felt light in the front-end compared to the CLX.

I routinely ride a highway that has (5) 90 degree wide-sweeping turns and (4) lesser degree sweeping turns. Very familiar with this road, two summers with the Z on a regular basis. The first time I hit this road with the CLX, I noticed the difference.

What is the reason? Tires (Maxxis MA-ST2), better front-end stability, lower center of gravity, overall suspension package, or a combination of things? I honestly don't know...it just feels more planted on the road. Thought I had the Z setup as best I could for my weight and rider sag. I tried different settings front and back to get the best ride. Many owners were upgrading the rear shock, and some were upgrading the front forks as well. Will this happen with the CLX? Who knows.

The Z had Dunlop GPR-300 tires, not the crappy OEM D214 tires. But I do believe these Maxxis tires are softer and heat up quicker than the GPR-300.

The seat comfort on the CLX Sport is excellent compared to the Z900 OEM seat, which felt like sitting on a 2x4 board and butt hurt at only 30 minutes. Many owners were trying aftermarket seats or re-doing the foam cushioning. I had both the OEM seat and a Corbin seat for the Z. The Corbin was very good, but the CLX Sport is even more comfortable.

The Brembo braking system is a bit much, but with some riding time, one gets accustomed to it. There is a good review on the CLX Sport at Motorcycle.com with no over-the-top PR language, just a straight-on honest opinion that rings true to this owner's experience.

https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/cfmoto/2022-cfmoto-700cl-x-700cl-x-sport-review-first-ride.html

Comfortable ergonomics, smooth gear box, stable handling, excellent braking, and plenty of get up and go. Brembo brakes, ABS by Continental, fully adjustable KYB forks, smooth non-jerky Bosch ride-by-wire, and a slipper clutch. Easily on-par with other "name brands".

Additional information in my other posts.
#20
700 CL-X Sport / Re: Photo Gallery 1
July 16, 2022, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: Benjamin on July 16, 2022, 11:58:35 AM
Hey Flat it's me Balbino from the z900 forums. That is a good looking bike you have there. I hope we really like these new bike brands for us. I have my oil level fixed. It took about 200 squirts from a spray bottle nozzle in the oil fill hole into a container. LOL. I see you put the sidestand foot on your bike. I cannot do that because I actually wish my sidestand was a 1/4 inch shorter. A 1/4 inch higher and a stiff breeze may blow it over. I've put a little extra spring pre-load on the back shock to maybe raise it up a little to help.  It's not bad just not as much lean as I'm used to.

200 squirts... sounds like some hand muscle cramps going on there, lol. Good for CFMOTO in making the addendum in Owner's Manual. That could have cost them a bundle in unnecessary warranty work.

Yah, new motorcycles to the U.S. Not sure what to expect. So far, I'm okay being a CFMOTO lab rat. Not many miles yet. Need to ride.... (where's the mc rider emoji?)

I had my fingers crossed on this side stand foot. For 10 bucks I wasn't expecting much. On the Z, I used an SW-Motech (50 bucks) which made it stand up considerably straighter... didn't like it that much. This foot on the CLX Sport straightened up the bike only a little bit, not nearly as much as the one on the Z. And it sits flatter on a hard surface than the SW-Motech did.

#21
700 CL-X Sport / Photo Gallery 1
July 16, 2022, 12:32:10 AM
Photos...
#22
700 CL-X Sport / Modifications, Accessories
July 15, 2022, 11:45:52 PM
Ali Express knock-off side stand enlarger foot ($9.74 shipping included). Two weeks from China to Illinois. Perfect fit and is stable on hard surface also.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256803511119475.html?spm=a2g0o.order_detail.0.0.77d6f19cJXXhRo

I did not want a knock-off radiator guard, so I ordered a genuine CFMOTO through my dealer (hasn't arrived yet).

https://cfmotousa.com/portals/0/MotorcycleAccessories.pdf
#23
700 CL-X Sport / Ride Impressions
July 15, 2022, 11:41:18 PM
The Bosch ride-by-wire fuel mapping is smooth with no jerkiness on and off throttle, but there is a power surge that kicks in at 6000-6500 rpm and goes nuts at 7000 rpm. An inexperienced rider might feel a bit unsettled, kind of like a missile went off and better hold on tight.

There is some vibration in the crotch area when spinning in the 6000 to 8000 rpm range (redline is 8000), but with normal gear changes up to 5000-6000 rpm there is little to no vibration.

Front braking took some time getting accustomed to. The Brembo master cylinder, Brembo Stylema radial calipers, and braided lines have a much different feel compared to the average master cylinder, calipers, and rubber lines on most other motorcycles.

Maxxis MA-ST2 tires feel like a softer rubber compared to high mileage touring tires, and they warm up rather quickly. The dealer had the rear set at 42 psi cold and the front at 40 psi cold. I set them to 38 rear and 36 front.

Suspension is good for me as set from factory. For reference, I weigh 190 pounds. The forks don't over-dive on hard stops (when applying both front and back). The rear shock soaks up bumps nicely (manhole covers, RR tracks, rough roads). I never felt like I had to raise my butt up off the seat. The bike feels well planted when doing high-speed sweeping curves and leans easily into sharp curves while tracking nicely. Again, rather subjective based on how you ride, where you ride, and skill level.

The CLX 700 Sport isn't a Mary Poppins practically perfect in every way. But it does have everything I appreciate in a good motorcycle. Comfortable ergonomics, smooth gear box, stable handling, excellent braking, and enough power to satisfy my need for speed.

I believe this motorcycle will be a viable choice for those looking at middleweight naked or retro styles. Take a look at the Kawasaki Z650 and Z650 RS. Or the Yamaha MT-07 and XSR 700. Compared to the CLX 700 Sport, they are priced high with non-adjustable telescopic forks, lower spec rear shock, and standard brake systems. Slipper clutch, maybe. Smooth ride-by-wire throttle, maybe. Seat comfort, maybe. Cruise control, not. Self-cancel turns, not.

#24
700 CL-X Sport / Ergonomics
July 15, 2022, 11:16:30 PM
This is a bit subjective, since everyBODY is different.

The ride position triangle is comfortable. You can tuck down on tank, lean forward slightly, or sit straight up. The clip-on bars are not as low as they look, nearly as high as standard handlebars on other naked bikes. Hands on the grips feel like they are kind of floating there, hardly any weight down on them. I don't feel folded up on this bike at all. For reference, I am 6 foot tall with a 30" inseam.

Side panels below fuel tank are placed properly and thighs/knees are in the right place for additional control.

The unusually wide foot pegs do not get in the way when putting feet on the ground, and no vibrations when on the move (depending on the type of boot or shoe). Plenty of heel room, as the exhaust and shield is low and out of the way. I have good space between foot peg and shifter when wearing Daytona boots. I think the pegs are a little bit more forward and a bit lower than other bikes like the Z650, MT-07, and GSX-S750. It's difficult to compare unless you measure all of them... just saying.

Seat is excellent, padding is firm and comfortable. No hot spots on tail bone or buttocks. No crotch pushing forward into tank. Plenty of room between tank and rear cowl. Corbin seats were good, and I believe this one is better. As a reference, the Z900 seat was like sitting on a 2x4 compared to a Corbin or this CLX seat.
#25
700 CL-X Sport / Electronics, Fueling
July 15, 2022, 10:56:00 PM
Instrument display - when sun is shining directly on display, LCD readout is clear and easily readable.

Readouts - speed, tachometer, gear indicator, and ride mode always on display. Coolant temp, clock, fuel consumption at the top. Odometer, trip meter, and average speed at the bottom. They are toggled with SEL/ADJ buttons on instrument panel. Only two can be displayed at a time, one at top and one at bottom.

Fuel gauge starts flashing at 100 miles from a full tank. Filled the 3.4 gallon tank with 2.0 gallons, and 1.4 gallons remaining... 70 miles to empty?

A decent showing of 48-50 MPG for a new engine, while not being easy on throttle and RPM levels. Estimated range is 150 miles with a 20-mile fuel reserve.

Self-cancelling turn signals - If you haven't turned within about 50 yards, the signal is cancelled. It's annoying having to re-activate. Should have been set to about 75 yards or so. Maybe it calculates based on time. Either way, IMO it cancels too early. It works just fine when at a stop waiting to turn, and always cancels when turn is completed.

Cruise control works well (the one time I used it). Consistent up hills and down hills. Functions only in gears 4, 5 and 6. When braking, shifting, or throttle applied... cruise is deactivated.
#26
700 CL-X Sport / Operational Observations
July 15, 2022, 10:43:27 PM
At cold engine start-up, the idle starts at 1500 rpm and stays there during warm-up and at operating temperature.

Engine coolant temp during hot temp days when stopped at intersections, will go as high as 208 F. When moving, it is usually between 180-194 F. Not sure when the fan kicks in, probably around 200 F.

Correction - When moving, it is usually between 176-180 F at 60 mph, and 182-186 F at 30 mph).

Radiator cap looks hokey. It isn't the commonly used metal pressure cap, it is a plastic threaded cap.

Slipper clutch works good, easy start from stop... similar to most other bikes.

Gear box is smooth, shifting up and down gears with ease and no false neutrals yet.

Gearing is about the same as other bikes in this class. Gear 6 is running about 4000 rpm at 60 mph. Plenty of torque, can be in gear 4 at 35-40 mph and pulls away easily.

Two rider modes, Sport and ECO and can be changed on the fly. ECO mode is pretty much worthless except for rain, winter riding, or first-time riders.

Turn signal switch does not have a tactile click, just press lightly left or right and it actuates. I'm still looking at display to confirm it is activated.

Bar end mirrors are solid, no vibration blurriness. Clutch and brake levers are adjustable.
#27
Purchase swingarm spools that are M10 x 1.25 thread pitch (same as KTM 690, 990 and 1190). Hole is threaded directly into the swing arm, and is approx. 22mm deep.

Front forks are the same length down from the axle and have a flat surface. It should take a Pit Bull front fork stand with short ABS leg on left side. The brake line junction is blocking hole in lower triple clamp. But the bolt holding it there could probably be removed and junction moved to the side to expose triple clamp hole.

Rear axle nut takes a 27mm socket and torque spec is 99-103 ft-lb. Chain tension spec is 1.25" to 1.50" (30-40mm).

Oil change - make sure the bike is upright when checking the level in sight window. DO NOT check level when bike is on side stand. Original user manual indicated checking level on side stand, but has been amended to upright position. When bike is on side stand, the level will barely show in sight window (or not at all). This is normal.

Owner's Manual Addendum -  https://cfmotousa.com/portals/0/OM-Addendum-2022-Motorcycle-Oil-Level-Inspection_20220426.pdf
#28
Thank you... much appreciated.
#29
Testing for photo attachment...  8)

My recently purchased 2022 CLX 700 Sport.... will request a Sub Forum for 700 CL-X and 700 CL-X SPORT