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#16
We just bought 2021 800 trail. We had been looking at them for a few years, we rented a Teryx last year when my brother in law came to visit. We had two of them and we had a lot of fun and spent a full day on them.

This year, we started to look at them in earnest. I had seen the CFMoto at a trade show and it looked pretty good. I read a bunch of reviews on them, both good and bad and most of the bad ones were either people not taking care of their machines, or just idiots in general. A few were actual justified bad reviews but of the dealers poor attitude or response.

We were looking at the RZR 850 trail and well, we couldn't find any, anywhere, or without a long wait. And, they were about $3-$6K more expensive, plus, you had to add things to get what the ZForce Trail 800 came with standard.

A week ago Saturday, when we decided to buy a unit, I pulled up all the Powersports dealers with in a 100 miles of me. Granted, I live in the mountains, halfway between Silverthorne and Steamboat so that limits the number of dealers in that range. I was looking to see who had what in stock.

I found a few RZR Pro XP 4 but they were around $25K. A Kawasaki Teryx 2 seater  for $20K and some Can-Am's for over $20K. And then I saw a dealer in Steamboat who had several Trail 800's for a little over $13K. And my wife and I were off to take a look.

We took a look at them, took a quick test drive, talked about price with the add-ons we wanted and stepped outside to talk about it. We were thinking about going up to another dealer in Craig CO, about 50 miles further out, but all they had at the time was a RXR XP 4 Premium at $25K.

Since we didn't know how much we would use zit, as we had never had one before, we decided to go with the Z8. And we are glad we did. We picked it up 2 days ago and have already put over 80 miles on it. We would have put more on it, but, my wife insisted that we get some projects done around the house. And, I had some medical tests scheduled this morning down in Denver.
#17
Quote from: NMKawierider on May 23, 2021, 04:34:02 PM

Tires- the 28" x 9s for the front and 11s for the back will fit the OE wheels fine. If you were to go with a different wheel, I would suggest going all the same as in all 14x7" and then going with all 28x10x14" tires. Be sure to get an 8ply tire though. The lug pattern is 4/110 with 10mm studs and they are all lug-centric not hub-centric. And go with the 1.5" as they won't be so hard on the bearings, ball joints and bushings. These are what I used:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/4X-1-5-ATV-4X110-10x1-25-Wheel-Spacers-For-Honda-Kawasaki-Suzuki-Yamaha/272516506666?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3D811291e5d94b45829290bbf893c3e10b%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D312524240258%26itm%3D272516506666%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseUnbiasedWeb%26brand%3DECCPP&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851
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Thanks everyone,
I ordered the wheel spacers as you suggested, it makes sense.

Also, I ordered an UHMW skid plate from Rival. 
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=f9eb9931765b4eb7b061227598701dc7&bu=45012918132&segname=11051&crd=20210523204054&osub=-1~1&ch=osgood&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133430004541&sojTags=bu=bu,ch=ch,segname=segname,crd=crd,url=loc,osub=osub

Plus a UTV cover that is supposed to fit the Z8 Trail, a center rear view mirror, some header insulation tape and some insulation/sound deadening self stick panels. The insulation wrap and panels are supposed to keep the heat in the engine and in the engine bay.

Thanks for the tip on looking in the how to portion of the forum, I found out about the header wrap there. The guy only wrapped the cylinder head closet to the passenger bay. I have always read that you need to all headers to balance out the heat distribution. Heat will always migrate to cold. The sound deadening/heat absorption panels will hopefully kill two birds with one application. Cut down on CV whine and heat control.
#18
Wow!!

Wonderful info!

I will check on the filter. I don't think it is the cfmoto one, but Unifilter does ring a bell for some reason.

Will the 28" tires fit on the OE rims or do I need new wheels?

Any recommendations on tires? And if I need wheels, what about those?

As for why I chose the Trail model, we do have some 50" trails only in our area. And, due to availability in our area (Halfway between Silverthorne and Steamboat and 2 hours outside of Denver) we could only find Z800 Trails, Teryx 850 4 place. CanAm 1000 Turbo's. In other words, $13K machines or mid $25K machines or very long waits. Since we weren't sure how much we would use the machine (we are heading out for a second ride in two days) we couldn't justify spending more than the Z800.

What is the bolt spacing for the spacers? is a 2" one too wide? I see a lot of those when I search. Or is the 1.5" the recommended width? 3" overall is quite a bit.

Thanks again for all the help.
#19
Yesterday, my wife and I took possession of a brand new Z-800 Trail in Bright Blue. The Dealer told us that he doesn't sell them with a stock air filter because of all the dust on the trailers so he throws in a 2 stage air filter. Not sure what kind though.

Since we live in the Colorado Mountains, afternoon rainstorms are quite common, so we had him add a push out windshield, a rear full shield due to the vacuum effect and the lower side panels on the doors.

When we got it home, we took it for a spin on the local trails that are accessible from our driveways. The Wolford Mountain trail area has over a hundred miles of trails to explore and we can get there right from our driveway. After about 3 hours out on the trail, we realized that we had toured almost half of them. It is so easy to get lost in time and space while riding them.

One thing we both noticed is that there is a lot of heat being pumped into the cabin. Is that normal?

Now for my main question,  What should I do with it? What things should I upgrade?

I am thinking I want to give it a lift kit. All I have seen is a 2" lift kit. Is that enough of one? Being a trail wide unit, is that too much?

Since I am lifting it, that would allow bigger, and possibly wider tires. The wider tires would help make it a bit more stable, wouldn't it?

I was also thinking about a flag so that others could see me, or am I being a wuss?

The air intake will have to be re-routed eventually, that will have to be a winter job, but, I need to clear out my garage first.

What am I missing or what haven't I thought of?

Is a plow something worthwhile? I have a great snowthrower but, it is a beast to use. And I have a gravel driveway.

What about turn signals? This is our second car, so to speak. I can't drive a regular car wihtout someone in it with me as I get lost or come to a point where I can't drive due to a brain injury, but I can drive around town. And I was thinking that most people don't understand hand signals anymore.

What brand covers do most people use?

Sorry for the many questions, being new, I have a lot.
#20
Quote from: NMKawierider on May 22, 2021, 09:09:50 PM
Welcome and congrats on the new Z. Get that Unifilter in it first.
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Thanks, My dealer actually threw a 2 stage filter in due to the dusty conditions around here. Well, not really because he sold them above dealer cost ($11,579 vs $11,199) but then, he had them.

Oh yeah, is it normal to wash it after every ride?  ;D
#21
ZForce 800 EX, 53 & Trail / Re: Intake mods
May 22, 2021, 11:42:41 PM
I would suggest going up in size as soon as you can, or split it into two pipes of the same diameter. The reason being all of those bends will cause a lot of restrictions in air flow. From a venting perspective, a 90* elbow is about the same as 5 feet of pipe, a 45* is 2 1/2' and so on.
#22
Howdy y'all,

My wife and I new to the side by side world. Well, relatively new. Last summer we rented a couple of SXS when my wife's brother and his family came out to visit. There are some OHV trails accessible from my driveway. The Wolford Recreation has over 100 miles of trails to ride on. And, I think we came close last year.

Suzanne and I had been talking about getting a SXS for several years, basically since we moved to our town. Because of all the trails we have here. And, I have a traumatic brain injury that limits what I can do. Chief of which is driving a car by myself for long distances. I get lost and I can't remember where I am going or where I came from. But, I can drive by myself in our town.

We realized this spring that we really wanted a SXS, but, when we started to look, almost every one was out of stock or unavailable or way too expensive. Last weekend, I was looking at powersports dealers within a 100 miles of my home trying to see what, if any, inventory they had in stock.  There was virtually no used units, except on CraigsList. And they were priced close to new units.

I did find some utility models, but that isn't what we wanted. There were some Can-Am Mavericks and Commanders, Polaris Razr 1000 4 seaters and similar units but they were over $25K. And since we weren't sure how much we would use the SXS, we didn't want to spend that much money, even though they hold their value up here really well.

Then, I stumbled across a dealer who had several Z-Force 800 trails in stock. I had looked at CF-Moto before and had read some good things about them. I did some quick searches last Saturday and read more good reviews from the past couple of years. The bad reviews I read were either from idiots who didn't know how to use the machines or had legitimate concerns but didn't know how to file a warranty claim or how to follow through on contacting CF-Moto or the dealer.

So, my wife and I made the hour trip to go and take a look at it and we took a test drive and, well, we bought a blue Z-Force 800 Trail.

We picked it up this morning and when we got it home, we took it out and were gone for 3 hours. And 40 miles later, we realized that we made a great choice.

Now, we just need to get it lifted, add bigger wheels, maybe make it a bit wider....

Hmmm, what else could we do with it?