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Offline chuddly

Clutch spring issues
« on: May 11, 2017, 07:37:38 AM »
Last weekend I finally got time to tear into my clutch again to try to solve the age old question "Why am I not seeing gains by clocking the spring and why is the backshifting so soft on this machine?" I had tried and tried different settings on the clutch, different belts, lubing certain parts, replacing parts and about everything else I could think of. Finally I was down to just the spring that had not been replaced but it looked fine. I ordered it anyway and to my surprise the new spring looked MUCH different and even better.....IT WORKED 100x BETTER!!! Below you will see pictures of the difference in the springs. To clarify the old spring still worked, looked good and was OK, but just ok. My symptoms were it was a soft backshift (when rolling at 15-20mph and you stood on the gas it lugged just a bit and it didnt jump out of the hole) and no matter what I did I didnt feel any real change when clocking the spring. Also when i messed with the clutch spring at all I lost top end speed (71mph originally down to 65ish). Now with JUST changing the spring and set to B2 I am back at 71mph! My hunch on this is that some percentage of the springs are flawed and either didnt temper right or are a bad metal compound and loose their springyness (not a real word but you get the idea). So either over time or when you coil it harder and release it you loose the firm backshift and extra pressure you need from the spring. Cheap enough part, easy enough to replace. If you are seeing these problems its WELL worth doing.
FYI the old spring is longer and on the left. New spring is on the right

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Online NMKawierider

Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 09:15:53 AM »
Must be a big difference in tempering as there is a big difference in the number of coils. I believe there were several people out there with your problem...one that said they set theirs to B4 (maybe it was you) and didn't feel any difference. I believe mine has the same number of coils as your old one but works like the new one so..yeah..must be something with material or production. Glad you now have one that works like the rest of ours...:)

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Offline chuddly

Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2017, 01:39:08 PM »
I only ever tried B1 and B2 ....never saw a difference and was tired of pulling it apart LOL
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Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2017, 02:03:32 PM »
I only ever tried B1 and B2 ....never saw a difference and was tired of pulling it apart LOL

Well, it's all fixed now :) It's going to make a big difference in the races now...and all that mud weight won't feel as bad.



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Offline Janse900

Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2017, 01:01:54 PM »
I also bought a new spring to mine. Because i tried to shift from B1 to C1 and didn´t notice any difference at all. My springs look exactly as the springs in the image on the first post.
I wonder if anyone that has bought a new spring have noticed that they are turned different? ???. The end pins on the spring is in different Clock positions, so the degrees for the preload angle on the spring chart gets different with the new spring. At least on mine.

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Offline Cosmosdan

Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2017, 08:06:36 PM »
I had mine out this weekend and I'm having a hard time with backshift. I noticed that they didn't change the part numbers. I guess I will just have to order one and hope I get the new version. I know mine is only a 600, but I'm almost at the end of my rope with it. I just have to stomp on it to make it up a hill and it shudders bad like the gears in the diff are skipping.
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Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2017, 09:10:45 PM »
I had mine out this weekend and I'm having a hard time with backshift. I noticed that they didn't change the part numbers. I guess I will just have to order one and hope I get the new version. I know mine is only a 600, but I'm almost at the end of my rope with it. I just have to stomp on it to make it up a hill and it shudders bad like the gears in the diff are skipping.
Woo..not good...
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Offline Cosmosdan

Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2017, 09:30:37 PM »
It has shuddered day one for me. No odd noises running on flat ground except a clunk/ metallic one over rough patches. I think that one is the rear prop shaft and it's sloppy u joints and spline. I might see if the dealer has a new one and see how bad they are. If its nice and tight, I'll pick it up. I have the spring part number from the pic, so I'm going to try that. I will also check the diff oil for metal just in case. If there is, there is a new outlander calling my name.
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Offline Max2015

Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2017, 09:03:04 AM »
Im also having this issue with my 2015 Uforce 800. It is really sluggish. I switched to B2 setting and lost 5mph with no power gain. My spring looks like the one on the left. Are the Uforce & Zforce springs the same?

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Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2017, 09:47:07 AM »
Im also having this issue with my 2015 Uforce 800. It is really sluggish. I switched to B2 setting and lost 5mph with no power gain. My spring looks like the one on the left. Are the Uforce & Zforce springs the same?
Yes, all 800s are the same.
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Offline Max2015

Re: Clutch spring issues
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2017, 10:55:10 AM »
Thanks for the quick response.