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Offline Turbine

ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« on: June 19, 2017, 06:33:08 AM »
Hello,
I recently bought 2013.5 Wildcat X, with about 7000Km on it and 280 hours that is giving me a lot of trouble since day 1 !!
i don't know if that`s bad luck, poor maintenance, or just a BIG lineup fixes
Any how.. it got me thinking about buying 2016 or 2017 ZForce 800EX ,
Although i will find it hard to accept the 800EX power :/ so started to look for upgrades and accessories..
I saw there is no aftermarket parts for 2017 yet, (Power commander, belt, exhaust etc.. ) Does it really different from the 2016 ?
How can i check if its really a 2017 or 2016 and not sold as newer from our dealers ( they do that sometimes )



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Offline REDRIDER

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2017, 07:26:36 AM »
The only thing they might have changed is the air filter, all the parts will be interchangable 

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2017, 08:10:06 AM »
Agreed...no changes between the 16 and 17. Also know that with any machine, performance modifications do effect reliability and longevity.
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Offline Turbine

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 09:04:15 AM »
OK. good.. But, any way to know if that`s a real 2017 or 2016 ? and not a 2015 ?
And what are my options for gain more power ?

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 09:30:48 AM »
run the vin at a dealer.
Exhaust, fuel programmer, clock the secondary clutch, dr pulley sliders, change weights for higher rpm engagement or do a wet clutch delete kit, I think that comes with a programmer and exhaust and different clutch set up for racing. Someone on here has it, goes pretty good. Depends what kind of riding you do though, I trail blaze and crawl a lot, wouldn't be a good set up for me. Good for racing and dunes

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Offline Cosmosdan

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 10:40:07 PM »
Best advise. Go buy something that you will be happy with to start. Step up to a bigger RZR or Wildcat. The z1000 should be out soon. You will just loose money in the long run when you go to sell it after you dumped a bunch of money into it, hoping to make it what you want. This I have learned the hard way.
2013 Z6 Trail
Iron Baltic skid plates
UE Boom Speaker mount
RZR 800 Shocks
Mostly stock trail riding
25g. Rollers and A1

2016 Outlander max 570
Too new for mods yet

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2017, 07:20:23 AM »
with the race kit wet clutch delete I think the guy on here says he is even or beats the RZR 900S but you will never catch a 1000. I agree, if you won't be happy with the power loss from a 1000 don't buy an 800

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Offline Turbine

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2017, 09:18:09 AM »
That was my mistake in the first place,
My budget limited me for a 2014 Wildcat X, or  2016 / 2017 CF Moto ZForce 800EX.. the 2016 Wildcat Sport is also on the budget , but used one of course.
I`m all about warranty , my X got so many issues just in 2 months :(
in the beginning i was up to do proper repairs and making it better, but sometimes its just about luck.. and i have NONE with this X
I really don't know what to do .

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2017, 09:24:00 AM »
That was my mistake in the first place,
My budget limited me for a 2014 Wildcat X, or  2016 / 2017 CF Moto ZForce 800EX.. the 2016 Wildcat Sport is also on the budget , but used one of course.
I`m all about warranty , my X got so many issues just in 2 months :(
in the beginning i was up to do proper repairs and making it better, but sometimes its just about luck.. and i have NONE with this X
I really don't know what to do .
Maybe you are better off just fixing what you have?

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Offline Cosmosdan

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2017, 08:21:25 PM »
I'm all for fixing something, but sometimes it gives you so many problems, that you can't even look at the thing and not get pissed. I have actually destroyed some stuff so I would be tempted to try to fix it "one last time".
2013 Z6 Trail
Iron Baltic skid plates
UE Boom Speaker mount
RZR 800 Shocks
Mostly stock trail riding
25g. Rollers and A1

2016 Outlander max 570
Too new for mods yet

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Offline Turbine

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2017, 01:10:52 AM »
I tried.. i really really tried but it keeps surprising me with more fixes !! I can't take it no more, but i`m with Cosmosdan, i just can't look at this thing no more !!
Power is not everything , this "power" not helping me if it won't start , or won't get a complete ride without break again.
Any one can compare the ZForce 800EX with the Wilcat Sport 700 ? power / handling / etc .. ?

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2017, 07:47:00 AM »
I tried.. i really really tried but it keeps surprising me with more fixes !! I can't take it no more, but i`m with Cosmosdan, i just can't look at this thing no more !!
Power is not everything , this "power" not helping me if it won't start , or won't get a complete ride without break again.
Any one can compare the ZForce 800EX with the Wilcat Sport 700 ? power / handling / etc .. ?
Power to weight the AC has an edge, though pretty close. It is easier to tweak the clutch on the CMF and virtually free and then will beat a sport I think. Arctic cat will cost more money for clutch work and more money to purchase. AC has a little more suspension travel I think, not much but a little. AC comes with no roof or winch. AC appears to have a weak rollcage theres some nasty pictures on google of a dudes head split wide and a smushed rollcage. AC will handle better for racing its lower to the ground and lighter weight. I was between a AC and CFM, I went with CFM for the price and the accessories then once I looked at how much crap cost for the AC stuff I went with CMF. CFM seems easier to work on and less pricey, but less options for aftermarket parts and performance stuff.  But I don't mess with the performance anyway other than clutching.

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Offline chuddly

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2017, 08:01:19 AM »
Sorry bud but your completely wrong on the "AC is better for racing" they are problem childs with their suspension.  They bend A arms like there is no tomorrow and they just dont hold up to the abuse.  Also they are not NEAR as fast.  The RZR 800 will walk all over the 700 AC and the CF Moto will walk all over the 800 RZR.  The 1000 AC is also the slowest in its class.  They may put down good dyno numbers but in the real world they just dont perform.

As far as your current rig.  Welcome to running anything off road.  You may have gotten one that is slightly worse than others of the same brands but ANY brand that you take out and beat on WILL fall apart.  That is a promise.  A guy I race against with has a RZR and sent me pictures of his cracked frame.  No wreck...just cracked on its own.  Its part of it.  I am currently replacing bearings and bushings at 1400 miles.  Its part of it.  We run them in the dirt and water and mud and expect them to go with work like they are our daily drivers.  That WILL NOT happen.  Fix the problem once and fix it right and be done with it.  Have I ran into issues with my SxS...yup sure have.  But I figure out a way to fix it so it is not a constant problem any more.

I tried.. i really really tried but it keeps surprising me with more fixes !! I can't take it no more, but i`m with Cosmosdan, i just can't look at this thing no more !!
Power is not everything , this "power" not helping me if it won't start , or won't get a complete ride without break again.
Any one can compare the ZForce 800EX with the Wilcat Sport 700 ? power / handling / etc .. ?
Power to weight the AC has an edge, though pretty close. It is easier to tweak the clutch on the CMF and virtually free and then will beat a sport I think. Arctic cat will cost more money for clutch work and more money to purchase. AC has a little more suspension travel I think, not much but a little. AC comes with no roof or winch. AC appears to have a weak rollcage theres some nasty pictures on google of a dudes head split wide and a smushed rollcage. AC will handle better for racing its lower to the ground and lighter weight. I was between a AC and CFM, I went with CFM for the price and the accessories then once I looked at how much crap cost for the AC stuff I went with CMF. CFM seems easier to work on and less pricey, but less options for aftermarket parts and performance stuff.  But I don't mess with the performance anyway other than clutching.
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Offline REDRIDER

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2017, 08:59:41 AM »
Sorry bud but your completely wrong on the "AC is better for racing" they are problem childs with their suspension.  They bend A arms like there is no tomorrow and they just dont hold up to the abuse.  Also they are not NEAR as fast.  The RZR 800 will walk all over the 700 AC and the CF Moto will walk all over the 800 RZR.  The 1000 AC is also the slowest in its class.  They may put down good dyno numbers but in the real world they just dont perform.

As far as your current rig.  Welcome to running anything off road.  You may have gotten one that is slightly worse than others of the same brands but ANY brand that you take out and beat on WILL fall apart.  That is a promise.  A guy I race against with has a RZR and sent me pictures of his cracked frame.  No wreck...just cracked on its own.  Its part of it.  I am currently replacing bearings and bushings at 1400 miles.  Its part of it.  We run them in the dirt and water and mud and expect them to go with work like they are our daily drivers.  That WILL NOT happen.  Fix the problem once and fix it right and be done with it.  Have I ran into issues with my SxS...yup sure have.  But I figure out a way to fix it so it is not a constant problem any more.

I tried.. i really really tried but it keeps surprising me with more fixes !! I can't take it no more, but i`m with Cosmosdan, i just can't look at this thing no more !!
Power is not everything , this "power" not helping me if it won't start , or won't get a complete ride without break again.
Any one can compare the ZForce 800EX with the Wilcat Sport 700 ? power / handling / etc .. ?
Power to weight the AC has an edge, though pretty close. It is easier to tweak the clutch on the CMF and virtually free and then will beat a sport I think. Arctic cat will cost more money for clutch work and more money to purchase. AC has a little more suspension travel I think, not much but a little. AC comes with no roof or winch. AC appears to have a weak rollcage theres some nasty pictures on google of a dudes head split wide and a smushed rollcage. AC will handle better for racing its lower to the ground and lighter weight. I was between a AC and CFM, I went with CFM for the price and the accessories then once I looked at how much crap cost for the AC stuff I went with CMF. CFM seems easier to work on and less pricey, but less options for aftermarket parts and performance stuff.  But I don't mess with the performance anyway other than clutching.
Ok well I've watched a 700 AC sport walk away from a zforce 800 stock.  Maybe there were other factors then. They have good suspension travel, they are lighter so yes you have to sacrifice weight somewhere. When I say racing I am talking more drag racing or dunes, chud would have more experience on it with his type of racing.  I'm glad I went with CFM over AC in the end.

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Offline Turbine

Re: ZForce 800X 2016 VS 2017
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2017, 09:05:48 AM »
Sorry bud but your completely wrong on the "AC is better for racing" they are problem childs with their suspension.  They bend A arms like there is no tomorrow and they just dont hold up to the abuse.  Also they are not NEAR as fast.  The RZR 800 will walk all over the 700 AC and the CF Moto will walk all over the 800 RZR.  The 1000 AC is also the slowest in its class.  They may put down good dyno numbers but in the real world they just dont perform.

As far as your current rig.  Welcome to running anything off road.  You may have gotten one that is slightly worse than others of the same brands but ANY brand that you take out and beat on WILL fall apart.  That is a promise.  A guy I race against with has a RZR and sent me pictures of his cracked frame.  No wreck...just cracked on its own.  Its part of it.  I am currently replacing bearings and bushings at 1400 miles.  Its part of it.  We run them in the dirt and water and mud and expect them to go with work like they are our daily drivers.  That WILL NOT happen.  Fix the problem once and fix it right and be done with it.  Have I ran into issues with my SxS...yup sure have.  But I figure out a way to fix it so it is not a constant problem any more.

I tried.. i really really tried but it keeps surprising me with more fixes !! I can't take it no more, but i`m with Cosmosdan, i just can't look at this thing no more !!
Power is not everything , this "power" not helping me if it won't start , or won't get a complete ride without break again.
Any one can compare the ZForce 800EX with the Wilcat Sport 700 ? power / handling / etc .. ?
Power to weight the AC has an edge, though pretty close. It is easier to tweak the clutch on the CMF and virtually free and then will beat a sport I think. Arctic cat will cost more money for clutch work and more money to purchase. AC has a little more suspension travel I think, not much but a little. AC comes with no roof or winch. AC appears to have a weak rollcage theres some nasty pictures on google of a dudes head split wide and a smushed rollcage. AC will handle better for racing its lower to the ground and lighter weight. I was between a AC and CFM, I went with CFM for the price and the accessories then once I looked at how much crap cost for the AC stuff I went with CMF. CFM seems easier to work on and less pricey, but less options for aftermarket parts and performance stuff.  But I don't mess with the performance anyway other than clutching.

First, was a main bearing in the gear case and 2 bevel gears.. ended up replacing all bearings and few more things while im there.  about 1300$
Then after 2 trips , TPS sensor died on me.  about 500$ , did a valve adjustment in the process because i also having idle issues
Then, after 1 trip, Crank sensor died on me..  about 300$
Now,  i think the starter is in the way.. and i have a big play in the steering wheel .
Not to mention all the towing prices each time , and my heart been breaking each and every time.. i just have it for 2 months. Barely drive it.  Currently its a pain in the ass, i just can't seem to stand it. and got me worried each ride and wait for it to break every time i ride WOT :/
Thats why im looking for newer alternative..
USED AC Wildcat Sport 2016 equals  the price of a brand new ZForce 800EX. ( The wildcat comes with a roof here )
My biggest concerns is the power, handling, and accessories..
I really don't know CF Moto , Some guys saying its crap, some guys saying its great.
I just think people who owns it, normally won't admit if its not a great .
Thats why i ended up on this forum :)