[glassguy]

I have been searching for bushings for my sway bar.2018 c f moto z force trail 800.
I came across an old post from NMK with some red bushings.
Great post by the way.
I'm wondering if thier are any bushings or any thing i can use for the 2 sway bar links.I did find them on the the cf moto parts page for 50.00 each plus the shipping which we know is outrageous.
Plus i'm thinking on just buying a complete bushing kit but not the 299.00 one from the cfmoto parts house.
I needed to be pointed in the right direction to spend as less $ as
i need to.  Thanks guys

[NMKawierider]

On the swaybar bushings, Just measure the bar itself and the distance between the bolts centers and order greas-able polyurethane sets from either Energy Suspension or Prothane Suspemsion. That's what I did on mine and my last Brute Force. Here's some links

https://www.energysuspensionparts.com/universal-sway-bar-bushings.asp

https://www.prothanesuspensionparts.com/universal-sway-bar-bushings.asp

As for a-arm bushings you might try them too or look to EPI, Moose, SATV, ..basically do a google search. I used the 800 RzR bushings but they needed...adjustments and also needed custom sleeves to fit right. I won't do that again. F-that. CFM bushings are just low quality polyurethane but they do fit now where in the past they were loose in the a-arm. Garage Products made a great aftermarket bushing but quit making them Maybe we should bug them to start making them again....lol.   

[glassguy]

Nmk.I have done alot of searching on the computor once again looking for sway bar bushings after i read your answer to my post.I did run onto a post from you from 10-21-15 about you having to use a round file on some bushings that were to tight.
But you did put on some polyurethane or prothane bushings.
The one bushings were 7/8s inch typr B bracket.
What im after if you have it is the part # and who you bought you final set of bushings from?
I also have a feeling i'm going to need to replace all of  the bushings both front and rear.Winters coming and it will give me something to do.
I could not find a complete bushing kit with the sleevs.
I'm realey needing some help finding these parts.
From reading earlier posts i know there are other cf moto people
who have done thier bushings,PLEASE chime in.
I thank you all very much for your time.

[NMKawierider]

For the Z I got the swaybar bushings from Prothane and I see that have them in millimeters now so do the greasable bracket..check but likely the "B" and one that a millimeter larger then the bar so it will rotate freely and have room for the grease. Yeah I got the 7/8" and had to ream them out a little. One think you should know is that the OE rubber bushings a re mushy and as such allow the tire to have a little movement before working as a bearing and applying torque to the bar. The polyurethane bushings are like bearings and won't have that mush so expect better cornering and less body roll but also the loss of some of the smoothness you had in the that first 1/2" or so of travel...not much but noticeable. For me this was why I relocated my mounting points- to gain some additional articulation. Yes and the cost of a little body roll but cowling over big stiff was worth it. I'll post some pics at the bottom. As for the a-arm bushings you van try what I did but know the sleeves will be a hair loose and you will need to bond/glue the bushings in. There is a video in the how-toos on all that. Otherwise...and I hate to say it...but there is always the CFM parts...that although are two-times the cost what they should be...they do at least fit.




These two happen to have the sway bar bushing in the shot:


 

[glassguy]

Thank you for sending the pictures.I like what you have done.
As far as measureing the bar i don't have calipers to do that with.
do you remember the size of your bar or the part # from prothane.
I'm sure that the bars are the same so what ever you orderd would work on my 2018 zforce trail 800.
I also looked all over the internet for a arm bushings both front and rear an could not find anything but from cfmoto.And deep down i had a feeling i was not going to find them after market.
I took your original 7/8s and it converts to 22.225 mm.
If i go up a mm bigger that would put me at 23.
I'm sure a few of the metal sleevs might be bad,Did you have to replace any?

[NMKawierider]

Just went out and measured my stuff and although I used the 7/8s and adjusted them, my bar is actually 22.42mm so the 23mm bushings would be right and by the measurement the greasable "B" brackets are what I used. Both from Prothane. On the a-arm bushings, I do believe all prior to the Gen-2s are the same and although I used several 2014 Polaris RzR 800 bushing-only kits, the CFM sleeves do not fit them as they should as the ID of the bushings are 16.66mm so you need about 16.45mm and both the CFM and a 5/8" sleeve material is closer to 15.88 mm and less. I built a device and knurled my outer bushing surface to put some extra squeeze on them and it got the 5/8" sleeve closer but not prefect..and keep in mind I had to custom-cut each sleeve..can get the material off ebay. I would still use the RzR bushings but would look harder for sleeve material with a 16.40-16.50mm OD and 10mmID as I did have to drill-out the 3/8" IDs to fit the bolts. A lot of work...for something that should be so simple.

These are the bushing kits I bought. Some will be too long and you will just cut them off. Others won't have the right outer lip. But the kits are cheap enough to get two. I also installed nylon wear-washers between the brackets and the bushing end which made me have to make the lip thinner. Stops the wearing of the bushing and that looseness front and back you get over time.

https://www.amazon.com/MOTOKU-Bushings-Complete-Polaris-2008-2012/dp/B08P35Q199/ref=sr_1_9?crid=1RSBBFZFDFEYJ&keywords=Polaris+RzR+a-arm+bushings&qid=1693604509&sprefix=polaris+rzr+a-arm+bushings%2Caps%2C136&sr=8-9

You will have to glue them into the a-arms otherwise they will rotate and wear the tubes out. Not good. That's all in the video. Good luck.

[glassguy]

Your just a wealth of knowledge about this cf moto stuff plus i'm
sure you have a great deal of time invested since you do your own repairs and mods.
Right now the cfmoto parts house has the blue bushings on sale for $239.I still think it's way to much but i just want to get this done with out any problems.
I re read your last post and you said i can get the metal spacers from E bay or Amazon and cut them myself.How would i word the search.
I don't mean to be a poa,and i'm sure you have better things to do.        Thank you......Bob

[NMKawierider]

Your just a wealth of knowledge about this cf moto stuff plus i'm
sure you have a great deal of time invested since you do your own repairs and mods.
Right now the cfmoto parts house has the blue bushings on sale for $239.I still think it's way to much but i just want to get this done with out any problems.
I re read your last post and you said i can get the metal spacers from E bay or Amazon and cut them myself.How would i word the search.
I don't mean to be a poa,and i'm sure you have better things to do.        Thank you......Bob

This is what I used. You will need several of them. Also..as I recall, if the CFM sleeves are still OK, they might fit just as well..even a little better...maybe. Also remember the ID on these are 3/8" so they will need drilled to 10mm.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202962512764?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818142055%26meid%3D0bfc0211a29242858ae68c53bf53d19f%26pid%3D101113%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D114839890620%26itm%3D202962512764%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2563228%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb&_trksid=p2563228.c101113.m2108

[glassguy]

while i was diggin around on the computor last night i came across
these to places and you might want to check them out.

Mc master-car.com  online metals.com valley city products.com
They seem to have a wide selection of steel tubeing and other type of spacer material.Could a good hard plastic type be used and it be ok.And if not should i use just steel tubeing.
the places i found have a few different type of metals.

[NMKawierider]

Must be steel as it must endure the bolt torque and loading.

[glassguy]

I went to the how to section and watched your video.I'm more of a see it guy so the videos helped me a great deal.
The last set of washers you put on each end of the a arm did you have to make them or were you able  to find them.
Now that i'm doing certain things im finding out that some parts are hard to find.

[NMKawierider]

I went to the how to section and watched your video.I'm more of a see it guy so the videos helped me a great deal.
The last set of washers you put on each end of the a arm did you have to make them or were you able  to find them.
Now that i'm doing certain things im finding out that some parts are hard to find.

The wear-washers-I found after looking a while, a great deal on bulk nylon washers on ebay. They are 5/8" ID with 1"OD..I believe.Not 100% necessary and originally they didn't have them but I saw that the a-arms were gaining movement from front to back because of wear that was happening against the bushing and the mount. I first tried steel washers but they started to wear on the mounts so went with nylon. Between then and the grease from greasing the bushings all the wearing stopped. You will have to sand both the washer and the bushing head down a little to make them fit...but it's worth it and they help seal-out water from getting in and rusting the sleeve. One of the other plusses from using Delron/Delrin plastic over Polyurethane is that as Delrin wears, itself-lubricates and wear is cut to a minimum. These days it's hard to tell between the two and few list the actual material..even EPI stopped listing it.. but if it is made by or for EPI, it should be Delrin as well as any other US or North American manufacturer.     

[glassguy]

The wear washers might not be 100% a have to use but i can understand the why and reason behind it.There a good idea.
I'm going to search for them to see what i can find.How thick is the final product?
Couldn't i use delron/delrin for the bushings or are they not hard enough?

[NMKawierider]

The wear washers might not be 100% a have to use but i can understand the why and reason behind it.There a good idea.
I'm going to search for them to see what i can find.How thick is the final product?
Couldn't i use delron/delrin for the bushings or are they not hard enough?

Just measured one of the extra wear-washers and it is 5/8" ID x 1-5/16" OD and 1/8" thick. The final thickness is closer to 3/32". Yes, the Delrin bushings are the way to go if you can get them. They will last 3+times as longer then straight polyurethane.

I got a much better deal on the washers and can't find them in bulk like that anymore but these are the same:

https://www.amazon.com/Hillman-Group-59570-Specialty-Washer/dp/B00NQR0R8E
 

[glassguy]

NMK You have been a major help and i'm super greatful for you
shareing all of your know and know how.Like i said earlier,the video was a major help to me and i got a better understanding of what to do,what materials to use.
I'm hoping to be able to find as much as i can on the web sites i found.
I'll start making calls tomorrow and let you know what i find.
Thank you again.......Bob