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Offline Bish

Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« on: August 11, 2016, 06:32:49 AM »
Update:

My dealer contacted CFMOTO Canada and spoke with their warranty Rep about the issue of the hole in the lower rear a-arms bushing tube that allows the grease to travel away from the (inside) bushing into the a-arm frame (800 53" model).

The rep agreed this is an issue, however, all the a-arms are the same, therefore, no replacement/fix for this issue, go figure.

So, are all owners of the 2015, 800, 53" model having the same issues? It would appear this should be the case.

Next call is to CFMOTO Canada.



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I have been keeping an eye on the issues NMK has found with his suspensions and squeaking issues. My machines' suspension started the same thing around 1200 km and is not due to the lack of greasing, being in mud holes etc. Also the lower "A" Arms on my machine have the same issue NMK found; a hole in the "A" Arm busing tube allowing the grease to travel down the "A" Arm frame away from the busing.

I wrote and provided pictures to CFMOTO Canada and C.C. my dealer on my issues. My machine is on full warranty till August 4th. The dealer has asked me to bring the machine in this Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here) so they can start a work-order before the warranty runs out. No reply from CFMOTO Canada, however, understand they are on holidays.

I will follow up on my story as it progresses.

Hopefully, there will be a positive end to this story and future improvements made by CFMOTO on this issue.
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Online NMKawierider

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2016, 07:35:55 AM »
After having no success with glues I ended up just cutting nail heads off leaving about 1/4" of the shaft and dropping them in the holes. That stay put as the steel sleeve won't let them come out and being steel they won't push through the holes. Easy enough to do. Dealer could do this as well.
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Offline Bish

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2016, 10:43:51 AM »
I was able to speak with CFMOTO Canada's Technical Adviser this afternoon about the lower rear A-arms. He will take the information I have provided on this issue an discuss with their mechanics.

It may be a few weeks before I hear from them, however, I was assured they will work on this and get back to me.

Will wait and see what the next response will be.



Update:

My dealer contacted CFMOTO Canada and spoke with their warranty Rep about the issue of the hole in the lower rear a-arms bushing tube that allows the grease to travel away from the (inside) bushing into the a-arm frame (800 53" model).

The rep agreed this is an issue, however, all the a-arms are the same, therefore, no replacement/fix for this issue, go figure.

So, are all owners of the 2015, 800, 53" model having the same issues? It would appear this should be the case.

Next call is to CFMOTO Canada.



(moved from "How to", felt this was a better area for this thread)
I have been keeping an eye on the issues NMK has found with his suspensions and squeaking issues. My machines' suspension started the same thing around 1200 km and is not due to the lack of greasing, being in mud holes etc. Also the lower "A" Arms on my machine have the same issue NMK found; a hole in the "A" Arm busing tube allowing the grease to travel down the "A" Arm frame away from the busing.

I wrote and provided pictures to CFMOTO Canada and C.C. my dealer on my issues. My machine is on full warranty till August 4th. The dealer has asked me to bring the machine in this Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here) so they can start a work-order before the warranty runs out. No reply from CFMOTO Canada, however, understand they are on holidays.

I will follow up on my story as it progresses.

Hopefully, there will be a positive end to this story and future improvements made by CFMOTO on this issue.
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Offline Bish

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 08:05:06 PM »
After seven (7) weeks, and several emails asking what was happening with my complaint about the lower rear A-arms, I was advised yesterday this issues has been forwarded to CFMOTO Canada's R&D Department for investigation. Looks like this will  be on going for sometime.

What really bugs me about this, it is an obvious flaw during the manufacturing process of the a-arms. Anyways, I will keep on this until it is resolved.
 



I was able to speak with CFMOTO Canada's Technical Adviser this afternoon about the lower rear A-arms. He will take the information I have provided on this issue an discuss with their mechanics.

It may be a few weeks before I hear from them, however, I was assured they will work on this and get back to me.

Will wait and see what the next response will be.



Update:

My dealer contacted CFMOTO Canada and spoke with their warranty Rep about the issue of the hole in the lower rear a-arms bushing tube that allows the grease to travel away from the (inside) bushing into the a-arm frame (800 53" model).

The rep agreed this is an issue, however, all the a-arms are the same, therefore, no replacement/fix for this issue, go figure.

So, are all owners of the 2015, 800, 53" model having the same issues? It would appear this should be the case.

Next call is to CFMOTO Canada.



(moved from "How to", felt this was a better area for this thread)
I have been keeping an eye on the issues NMK has found with his suspensions and squeaking issues. My machines' suspension started the same thing around 1200 km and is not due to the lack of greasing, being in mud holes etc. Also the lower "A" Arms on my machine have the same issue NMK found; a hole in the "A" Arm busing tube allowing the grease to travel down the "A" Arm frame away from the busing.

I wrote and provided pictures to CFMOTO Canada and C.C. my dealer on my issues. My machine is on full warranty till August 4th. The dealer has asked me to bring the machine in this Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here) so they can start a work-order before the warranty runs out. No reply from CFMOTO Canada, however, understand they are on holidays.

I will follow up on my story as it progresses.

Hopefully, there will be a positive end to this story and future improvements made by CFMOTO on this issue.
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Offline Bish

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2016, 11:46:45 AM »
Good news today.

CFMOTO Canada is going to cover the repairs to the lower rear A-Arms.

Also, the factory is aware of this problem and this issues is being / has been corrected at the production run.




Update:

My dealer contacted CFMOTO Canada and spoke with their warranty Rep about the issue of the hole in the lower rear a-arms bushing tube that allows the grease to travel away from the (inside) bushing into the a-arm frame (800 53" model).

The rep agreed this is an issue, however, all the a-arms are the same, therefore, no replacement/fix for this issue, go figure.

So, are all owners of the 2015, 800, 53" model having the same issues? It would appear this should be the case.

Next call is to CFMOTO Canada.



(moved from "How to", felt this was a better area for this thread)
I have been keeping an eye on the issues NMK has found with his suspensions and squeaking issues. My machines' suspension started the same thing around 1200 km and is not due to the lack of greasing, being in mud holes etc. Also the lower "A" Arms on my machine have the same issue NMK found; a hole in the "A" Arm busing tube allowing the grease to travel down the "A" Arm frame away from the busing.

I wrote and provided pictures to CFMOTO Canada and C.C. my dealer on my issues. My machine is on full warranty till August 4th. The dealer has asked me to bring the machine in this Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here) so they can start a work-order before the warranty runs out. No reply from CFMOTO Canada, however, understand they are on holidays.

I will follow up on my story as it progresses.

Hopefully, there will be a positive end to this story and future improvements made by CFMOTO on this issue.
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Offline gfmoto

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2016, 04:16:58 PM »
Have to double check if the EX model a arms are made the same.
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Offline doug80638

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2018, 10:39:07 AM »

I have been getting my 2017 z800 ready for spring's first ride, and part of that was to grease up all the bushes. To my surprise, the lower rear control arms could not be "topped off" and offered no resistence, so I took them off to take a look.

Seems my control arms have the same holes in the tubes as reported in this string. I took the control arm to the service dept of the dealer, and they assumed they were all like that and their suggestion was "JB Weld"; not what I wanted to hear. 

I think I need to talk to CF-Moto about this.
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Online NMKawierider

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2018, 10:57:13 AM »

I have been getting my 2017 z800 ready for spring's first ride, and part of that was to grease up all the bushes. To my surprise, the lower rear control arms could not be "topped off" and offered no resistence, so I took them off to take a look.

Seems my control arms have the same holes in the tubes as reported in this string. I took the control arm to the service dept of the dealer, and they assumed they were all like that and their suggestion was "JB Weld"; not what I wanted to hear. 

I think I need to talk to CF-Moto about this.

My 15 also has that...and JB weld won't work. The pressure it takes to push grease past the bushings and sleeves just pushes the JB in the hole. I cut some nail heads off and glued them in the holes. That stopped it for good. This has been reported to CFM..but I assume by your post nothing has been done...yet.
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Offline doug80638

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2018, 08:20:17 AM »

The dealer is ordering new lower arms to see if manufacturing has indeed fixed them. They will be sent back if not.

I found some automotive plastic  "bumper plugs" small enough that they should fit nicely in the hole, so this may be the alternative fix. A dab of silicon and just push them in.

The dealer also ordered a new rear upper control arm. I found that the tube on one of mine had an inside diameter larger than would hold the new bushing securely. No bueno.

I hope to get the toy back together in time for the Memorial Day weekend.
 
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Offline doug80638

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2018, 05:37:38 PM »
Some before and after pix:

The hole in the control arms:



The plastic push pins with the caps trimmed down:



The hole plugged with the pin and a touch of silicon:



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Offline doug80638

Re: Suspension Issues - Lower Rear A-Arms
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2018, 06:58:15 AM »

The new lower arms came in, and they are indeed corrected. No more hole for the grease to escape from or debris to infiltrate through.

The new upper arm came in as well, but it was worse than the original. This is very disappointing.

I'm going to have to use an adhesive on the old arm to hold the one bushing in place.
2017 Zforce 800 - Red
SuperATV Flip windshield
Tusk soft rear window
Uni-Filter foam air filter
Bandit springs