Any ideas on trailers?
for a Zforce-950 HO Sport, with mirrors.

I could go with a plain 6x12 utility trailer.
    and install a fuel cell with a transfer pump and permanent tiedown chocks on the deck

Or;

Go with a 7x14 or 7x18 enclosed cargo trailer, and build
    small bathroom with shower, and composting toilet
    external water hookup for spraying down toys.
    fuel cell with pump
    12volt lighting with solar
    permanent tiedown chocks on the deck


I know some of the ladies in the group we go with would appreciate the bathroom idea, for day trips when no one wants to bring their big campers out.

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

Heck by the time you are done with option#2 might have enough in it to have considered an older small toy hauler. Then you could have in addition.. a kitchen, beds, awning, heat and maybe A/C. Me if I were thinking of a trailer it would just have to have more then one use. It would have to cover all my hauling needs.

Heck by the time you are done with option#2 might have enough in it to have considered an older small toy hauler. Then you could have in addition.. a kitchen, beds, awning, heat and maybe A/C. Me if I were thinking of a trailer it would just have to have more then one use. It would have to cover all my hauling needs.

I bought a 7x14 V-nose cargo trailer, 2 years old, for about 50% of new invoice original owner paid for it.  He had RV door, 2 tiny lights at outrageous cost, 12' awning, 2 windows, and insulation installed when it was built.  I found "older" toy-haulers to be in more sad shape, falling apart, and still too damn expensive.  It has 2@3500# axles and is heavy duty.  If I had it to do over again, I'd look for an aluminum frame trailer, but they are very expensive and rare.  I'l live with what I have.

I can carry something like lumber or stuff up to 13' long, and assorted other things.  I bought old/used furniture and cabinets at 2nd hand stores, took it apart, and made everything inside of the trailer.  I made a bigger counter, 2-burner propane stove, installed fold-up bed/sofa, TV/DVD player, sink, small toilet (porta-potty) & shower room, ceiling fan/vent, LED lights and outlets, added inverter to existing converter, solar panels, 2 large batteries, fishing rod holder on ceiling, moved te tie-downs, painted everything, and some other things.  I use an Alpicool 12v/120v refrigerator, like an oversized medium ice-chest.  It is great!, very very low electric use, able to work fine with solar/battery power.  I don't want a noisy generator, just my choice.  The Alpicool fits under the sofa when it is in Sit-position, otherwise up front. 

I can carry a Very Wide Ural side-car motorcycle or CForce 600 Tour, and camp stuff with 10'5" fishing kayak.  The ATV and kayak have been on hunting and fishing trips.  The TV antenna was given to me by friend who made it.  It works pretty good actually, as odd as it might seem.  Trailer new spare wheel/tire goes in the truck under elevated plaform in bed.

The trailer and all of my adds/modifications was about $6600 plus my time.  The sofa/bed thing was a little difficult to figure out, no directions, internet no help, but doable.  Electrics majority can work with 12v, 120v inverter only for TV and microwave.

It is comfortable and relative inexpensive solution to carry stuff. I also have an open flatbed trailer that I use for firewood.  The Ural or ATV can fit on it.  The 600 Tour is 4" too long for wood trailer, so I lean the back ramp out to make room for it.  Inside cargo trailer the Kayak can be to one side or the other and there is room to sit on sofa with table and walk around.  The inside is packed and organized. The 2@2"x4" cross pieces are held by duplex 16d nails on a 2"x4" post bolted to the wall except for the 2 bolts hanging it from shelf at RR side.  If no ATV/Ural, kayak can just be on the floor.

As you thought, I put the Porta-Potty room in for GF/Wife acceptance.  Somewhat coincidence, I bought the trailer from a fellow in Colorado.  He was kind enough to bring it to Rawlins, 1/2 way from me to him. 
Some photos of my "combination"

YMMV

[2015 Z Force 800 53/Trail EPS]

That's nice. I was thinking could get something like this for 6 or 6500 and bypass all that work...even 7,900 isn't bad for all it offers. Of course it might require a a little more truck then some have.

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2003-Weekend+Warrior-BH2200-5025314465

Wow, what a nice set up..well done! And we have the same CForce!

Wow, what a nice set up..well done! And we have the same CForce!

Thanks to you and NMKawierider for compliments.

On the truck:  I bought a "used" 2020 Chev 1500 LT Silverado in the middle of the Covid crap.  Nobody was selling much, prices were down.  It is REALLY HARD AND RARE TO FINE EXTENDED CAB truck these days.  I wanted at LEAST a 6' bed, and it has 6.5' bed.  Another Biggie was it had 1500 miles on truck AND has the 3.0 l 6cy LM2 Diesel engine.  It was the FIRST american vehicle I have bought in over 35 years!

Truck actually does what Chev says it will do,  It pulls like mad ~490 torque, fine power, AND gets 27-31 mpgs around town, up to 31-35 on highway!  I had to go 200+ miles to Montana to get it.  It was at dealership and I got the full original warranty and service perks.  It is wide enough to see around the trailer without giant ear-mirrors.

The newer 2023 3.0 l diesel LM0 has more power and torque, same mpg's.  A used one like mine at 45K miles used is about ~$52K here.  I bought mine for $39K!  Works for me.  Towing drops mpgs down to about 22-25, liveable.  Actual "hunting use" in Island Park area, Idaho, elevation 8400'.

Other details about cargo trailer construction --  photos.

YMMV

Heck by the time you are done with option#2 might have enough in it to have considered an older small toy hauler. Then you could have in addition.. a kitchen, beds, awning, heat and maybe A/C. Me if I were thinking of a trailer it would just have to have more then one use. It would have to cover all my hauling needs.

I bought a 7x14 V-nose cargo trailer, 2 years old, for about 50% of new invoice original owner paid for it.  He had RV door, 2 tiny lights at outrageous cost, 12' awning, 2 windows, and insulation installed when it was built.  I found "older" toy-haulers to be in more sad shape, falling apart, and still too damn expensive.  It has 2@3500# axles and is heavy duty.  If I had it to do over again, I'd look for an aluminum frame trailer, but they are very expensive and rare.  I'l live with what I have.

I can carry something like lumber or stuff up to 13' long, and assorted other things.  I bought old/used furniture and cabinets at 2nd hand stores, took it apart, and made everything inside of the trailer.  I made a bigger counter, 2-burner propane stove, installed fold-up bed/sofa, TV/DVD player, sink, small toilet (porta-potty) & shower room, ceiling fan/vent, LED lights and outlets, added inverter to existing converter, solar panels, 2 large batteries, fishing rod holder on ceiling, moved te tie-downs, painted everything, and some other things.  I use an Alpicool 12v/120v refrigerator, like an oversized medium ice-chest.  It is great!, very very low electric use, able to work fine with solar/battery power.  I don't want a noisy generator, just my choice.  The Alpicool fits under the sofa when it is in Sit-position, otherwise up front. 

I can carry a Very Wide Ural side-car motorcycle or CForce 600 Tour, and camp stuff with 10'5" fishing kayak.  The ATV and kayak have been on hunting and fishing trips.  The TV antenna was given to me by friend who made it.  It works pretty good actually, as odd as it might seem.  Trailer new spare wheel/tire goes in the truck under elevated plaform in bed.

The trailer and all of my adds/modifications was about $6600 plus my time.  The sofa/bed thing was a little difficult to figure out, no directions, internet no help, but doable.  Electrics majority can work with 12v, 120v inverter only for TV and microwave.

It is comfortable and relative inexpensive solution to carry stuff. I also have an open flatbed trailer that I use for firewood.  The Ural or ATV can fit on it.  The 600 Tour is 4" too long for wood trailer, so I lean the back ramp out to make room for it.  Inside cargo trailer the Kayak can be to one side or the other and there is room to sit on sofa with table and walk around.  The inside is packed and organized. The 2@2"x4" cross pieces are held by duplex 16d nails on a 2"x4" post bolted to the wall except for the 2 bolts hanging it from shelf at RR side.  If no ATV/Ural, kayak can just be on the floor.

As you thought, I put the Porta-Potty room in for GF/Wife acceptance.  Somewhat coincidence, I bought the trailer from a fellow in Colorado.  He was kind enough to bring it to Rawlins, 1/2 way from me to him. 
Some photos of my "combination"

YMMV

That's kind of what I am thinking of building. we have a 14' forest river popup camper we take out with us. but if we had the potty room and kitchen out of the rain/wind as well as a place to store the force out of the elements it would be a major upgrade.

I do have the Thetford Porta Potty 550 P.  It was $129.  I chose the "P" version, which means a hand-pump.  The other version is battery operated motor, just something else  to worry about, buy batteries, for etc. 

There is another fellow "Stealing Time Outdoors" that has video "Cargo Trailer Conversions - Lessons Learned", and he uses kitty littler, trash bags, etc.  I like that idea if acceptable for certain individuals.  An ordinary 5-gal. plastic bucket/lid plus a toilet seat is a lot less than the Thetford.  BTW, Stealing Time Outdoors is where I got the idea for the Kayak Loft.  He did the same thing for beds in a 12' trailer. 

go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6my4PMalO5g


I got the shower idea from Slim Potatohead videos.  He is Canadian who "fixed up" a small fiberglass trailer.  The toughest part is finding a shower base.  A plastic wash-utility tub is nearly a perfect fit, small, simple, and cheap.  A drain goes right through the floor (screw capped outside) and drains into bucket.  Simple plastic pipe and hangers can make a shower curtain, etc.  Ordinary 12v pump outfit on seperate circuit and everything OK. 
go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOLVgFO87w
When NOT being used as Toilet or Shower, the tiny room is clothes hanger storage and stuff.

Slim Potatohead also does video on extreme low power consumption of Alpicool small refrigerators.  They come in various sizes, small to pretty big (my opinion).  Slim runs everything on solar/battery power.  Like me, he likes it quiet, no generator. The neat thing about Alpicool is low cost even from Amazon which can guarantee them, no ice needed, and not much power usage.  I have C22 size, and maybe next size up would be OK, but it has to fit somewhere. 

Go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFzy-6LCnTE   


There is actually no limit on what you can do if you just get out there and try it.  It sure is a lot less $$$ and is nice to have something the way you want it.  It helps to have a table saw, compound miter saw, odds and ends tools for this or that, and some 12v electrical (or whatever) experience.  Most parts can be gotten somewhere off internet to avoid the big Camping-Trailer dealers outrageous costs.  Maybe some things in beginning of conversion are not done as well as the later things due to learning curve.  So what?  It isn't a Mona-Lisa.  Just my opinions.

I have made a snowplow setup for my 600T with a yard sale old  welder.  Crude, extremely strong,and it works.  I found a wrecked back seat for a 600T, cut it up, rewelded parts from a metal hunter's tree stand, made a flat plywood board, and now have a back-rack extension instead of the $200 CFMoto version.  I really only needed the bottom latch part, and everything else is fabbed. 

If you really want a low cost generator, CFMoto now makes one.  They make 2-3 sizes, 2000 watt would be my choice.   Lowest price I saw was in Bismark ND, $649, last year, dunno if it went up. 

YMMV