[dasm]

Hey
Looking to get a s & b particle separator for my 2021 zforce 1000.
Just wondering if anybody has the s&b part number.

Thanks

[NMKawierider]

Hey
Looking to get a s & b particle separator for my 2021 zforce 1000.
Just wondering if anybody has the s&b part number.

Thanks

S&B does not make one or a kit specifically for any CF Moto but it doesn't take much to adapt one in as many have done. Either a side discharge like this one:

https://www.sbfilters.com/particle-separator/polaris-rzr-900-s-1000-76-2001

or a center discharge like this one..which is on my list:

https://www.sbfilters.com/particle-separator/2016-2018-yamaha-yxz-1000r-76-2004

It all depends on where you want to mount it.

Another option is the KWT unit which does make one for the CFMoto. Growing in popularity because it needs no electric fan so no fan sound all the time.

https://kwtfilters.com/collections/cfmoto

My system has been evolving for years now and as the last mods includes filtration for the CVT system I decided to continue along a line of thought that would end with an S&B center discharge just peaking over the center of the roof supplying clean air to both inline air filters. As I was not quite ready to pay-out that 400-dollar cost of the S&B yet, and completed the plumbing and stuck an 80-dollar Donaldson Side-Spin particle separator on top for now. It only gets a little above 80% but that should be a vast improvement over nothing before. I was plugging my CVT filter every 10-15 miles of road usage and had to stop and clear it. I was tired of being.."that guy"...you know...the one in a group that always needs to stop to do or fix something. Anyway if it works it might be a while before I get my S&B but I'm ready for it. Here's a current pic:



With the S&B it will look something like this:




And this is what it looked like before with just the stacks:



Good luck with yours.

 

[dasm]

Thanks for the info.  I seen a post on the net that the kwt isn’t as good as the s&b.   Any thoughts.

[NMKawierider]

Thanks for the info.  I seen a post on the net that the kwt isn’t as good as the s&b.   Any thoughts.

Seen post both ways but IMO, when the incoming air is forced to spin at at least a minimum level, as the S&B does with it's fan, then the total average percentage of separation over time has to be higher. Might make the difference between mid to high 80s to mid 90s and more. Both are expensive....for me if I am going to spend that kind of money, I want the maximum. And I can't help to think its the S&B. Besides..mine is already plumbed for the S&B..

[BoatFixx]

Thanks for the info.  I seen a post on the net that the kwt isn’t as good as the s&b.   Any thoughts.

A competitor claimed that they tested KWT’s particle separator and says it does not work.  Have you done IS0 5011 testing on your particle separator?

In November 2018, a competitor claimed they ran a performance test on the KWT Particle Separator per ISO 5011 Filter Test Standards. They provided results on the filter efficiency of the KWT Particle Separator at 14.48%. KWT Filters own ISO 5011 test series shows the efficiency to be much higher than this in the 90% range. KWT investigated the competitor's claim and found their test to be invalid. The competitor modified the test to suit their marketing needs by making up their own “Test Terminal Condition” which effectively allows the KWT Filter to fill its dirt collection chamber and stop working. What they’ve done is selected test stopping point (Test Terminal Condition) that would represent never opening the KWT Filters Sight Glass and extracting the dirt over years of service. It clearly states in the ISO 5011 Standard, Section 3.1.19 Test Terminal Condition, “an agreed value” and a condition of terminating the filter test is “the dust-removing efficiency falls to a specified or agreed value”. KWT Filters did not agree to the competitor's Test Terminal Condition nor does the competitor test agree with the requirements of terminating the ISO 5011 testing. Since the KWT Filter is Cyclonic and will never increase air restriction like a paper filter when dust accumulates, the ISO Test requires Cyclonic Filters to have a test termination such that when “the cleaner has been fed with sufficient quantity of dust for its efficiency to be determined as accurately as required” (Section 7.5.2.10 of ISO 5011), which is how KWT tests its filter efficiency. What our competitor has done is solely a marketing ploy to undermine our product. KWT filters mission and focus is to bring enhanced filter less technology to the off-road industry.

KWT Performance Results can be found on our website https://www.kwtfilters.com/how-it-works

[BoatFixx]

I'm ready to install one too.
How noisy is the fan in the S&B?
I've been leaning towards the KWT

[NMKawierider]

I'm ready to install one too.
How noisy is the fan in the S&B?
I've been leaning towards the KWT

The older ones were very noticeable but now they have what they call a "whisper" motor. Supposedly very quiet. Mine will be outside the rear windshield so it probably wouldn't matter to me.

Some vids:

This one seems quite loud though...

But these are acceptable..

[NMKawierider]

One more:

[BoatFixx]

Thanks!

[NMKawierider]

I asked S&B about the whisper motors in the units for the YXZ and the reply was that at this time they still have the old V1 motor system in them. The Polaris and Can Am units have the new V2 motor systems at this time. I told them to notify me when they do and I would buy one...although I probably will buy one anyway.