[bigjimstewart]

Just wanted to say- one thing I like about this forum is its integrity. When someone comes on here and asks questions about pros and cons of these machines they get  pretty straight forward and honest answers. As someone who is shopping for a new machine. I find that is not always the case as some of the forums have nothing bad to say about there machines which I find hard to believe.

[WalkinTarget]

It's a pack mentality thing - its human nature to consider what you have invested so much $$ into to be the 'best', simply because you can't possibly have made a wrong decision. But you are right .. wow, I see it big-time in the Rzr and Wildcat forums, as the Rzr guys slam the Wildcat for it's 'tiny' 700 motor and the WC guys slam the Rzr for its spontaneous combustion tendencies of late. Thats' two major recalls for the Rzr this year for a very dangerous fire hazard, so even the vendor who far and away outsells the competition is not immune to problems throughout the model line.

The CF Moto community is small enough that they depend and rely on each other to help out with these problems that crop up, and are generally ignored due to most riders not even knowing another SxS option EXISTS ! If they'd sell enough to be a larger scale player in the market, I can guarantee you the Rzr and AC crowd would start picking on them too. I've always said I am not brand loyal (I started out in the 90s on a Kawasaki, then a Yamaha, then a Polaris, then my current Suzuki, and lastly on to an Arctic Cat) so I don't care WHAT you ride, as long as you ride.   

[chuddly]

I agree with both statements above.  I also think its good for the group to be honest with a perspective new buyer for a couple other reasons not mentioned.  First if you try to convince them that they are buying a "perfect/best" machine and its of course not then you have lost credibility as a person because you knowingly over sold something when you knew it was not what you said it was.  Also I dont have a problem working on/making a machine better.  But I would like to know what im getting into before I get it.  If im told straight away that I need to replace the air filter and a few other things then I make a mental check list to add that into the "do as soon as you buy" things or the initial buy in cost of the machine.  If however the people who know DO NOT tell me about these things and now I ruin my motor because a $40 air filter upgrade was not mentioned to try to make the machine look perfect....well now im going to think less of the machine, less of the people, and very likely have a sour taste in my mouth for the brand in general. 

I say all this to say that CF Moto seems to be a good brand.  I have owned some of the TOP name brands out there and they all take work to stand up to the beatings that will be put on them while off roading.  The only real short coming of the CF Moto groups/family's is that there are not near as many people out there that have them and are willing to mod them yet.  Im sure that number will keep growing through.

[bigjimstewart]

Yes I agree you all said it better than I.  I have been looking at arctic cat because they also have the Diff lock. Polaris doesn't have that and I feel like I need it. We will see in September when the 2017 CFMOTO line up comes out. I am waiting for that. But I may end up sticking with the Moto just because I feel like I know what I'm getting. 

I liked your statement "I don't care what you ride as long as you ride"

I think the same way I would rather have a group and everyone have different machines but none of the folks I ride with have made the switch to SXS yet.  My neighbor did just yesterday buy his first, a 2016 Yamaha YXZ 1000 I may invite him to go just so I can see what that thing can do. It is wicked fast.

[gfmoto]

Well said guys! I know I am very happy to hear both sides of the coin, good and bad. Of course we all love saying " no problems here"  but also hearing the issues help everyone stop potential problems before we have them.  It helps NO ONE to lie to each other and act shocked if something goes wrong. I think we're all in the same boat (give or take) I don't think any of us have bottomless pockets.  So we made a leap of faith to try an " off brand" even though these aren't real cheap, you're still in the $10K+ bracket. So we HAVE to rely on each other, look out for each other,and help each other when possible. This is how a brand grows and thrives. 
So thanks for all of the honesty on this forum. 

[NMKawierider]

Well said guys. I like to think people can come here and get real information so they know what to expect before the purchase. And have the support of a CFM community after. When I bought mine there was no such forum like this so scraping info together was a real task. 

[Spaceman78]

I agree with you all. I'm glad to have friends, if I can call you all that, who can help me stay on top off things. You all have helped me a lot. I hope I've helped some of you too.

By the way, bigjimstewart, the Polaris's use a different type of 4x4 system than most. They actually have the benefit of a diff lock built in. When you shift a Polaris into AWD, it stays in 2WD until the rear wheels begin to spin. Then, 4WD engages. This engages both front wheels together. The benefit is, you can run it in AWD all day long without sacrificing handling or gas mileage and still have full 4x4 diff lock when you need it. The down side is, it's a more complex system, which is more prone to breakage. Also, you don't have full control over where and when it engages.

[Jason]

I agree with you all. I'm glad to have friends, if I can call you all that, who can help me stay on top off things. You all have helped me a lot. I hope I've helped some of you too.

By the way, bigjimstewart, the Polaris's use a different type of 4x4 system than most. They actually have the benefit of a diff lock built in. When you shift a Polaris into AWD, it stays in 2WD until the rear wheels begin to spin. Then, 4WD engages. This engages both front wheels together. The benefit is, you can run it in AWD all day long without sacrificing handling or gas mileage and still have full 4x4 diff lock when you need it. The down side is, it's a more complex system, which is more prone to breakage. Also, you don't have full control over where and when it engages.

Can confirm on the Polaris front diff.  I did like having 2WD/4WD/4WD diff-lock, but honestly I think Polaris has done a bang-up job on the way they designed it.  It works when I need it and it stays in 2WD when I don't.  However, I know the rock-bouncers and rock racers of the world can chew them up in about 10 minutes by beating them past their limits.  That's a whole different conversation in itself, though.

I'm glad to see the positive vibes from the forum and happy to be a part of it.

[bigjimstewart]

I agree with you all. I'm glad to have friends, if I can call you all that, who can help me stay on top off things. You all have helped me a lot. I hope I've helped some of you too.

By the way, bigjimstewart, the Polaris's use a different type of 4x4 system than most. They actually have the benefit of a diff lock built in. When you shift a Polaris into AWD, it stays in 2WD until the rear wheels begin to spin. Then, 4WD engages. This engages both front wheels together. The benefit is, you can run it in AWD all day long without sacrificing handling or gas mileage and still have full 4x4 diff lock when you need it. The down side is, it's a more complex system, which is more prone to breakage. Also, you don't have full control over where and when it engages.

Yes spaceman I understand how this system is suppose to work but I prefer to have the diff lock. Just personal preference

[Spaceman78]

I agree. That along with the wet clutch are the main reasons I didn't get a RZR.