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Offline Ulfthednar

Electrical load.
« on: August 31, 2022, 09:12:55 PM »
Noticed a number of people already have and something I plan to do is add some auxiliary lights on my handlebars.
How do the CFMoto charging systems handle an additional load?
I know from experience a lot of machines these days have under engineered charging systems.
My intent is to add a couple small pods on the bars that track light in the direction I am steering in.
The stock lights are great, but they point in the direction the body is pointing not where I am going.
My old shovelhead has an overbuilt over engineered charging system, and everything I own pretty much has an upgraded alternator.

but I am completely new to ATVs and CFMoto.
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Electrical load.
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2022, 10:14:13 AM »
The rule-of-thumb is: If everything installed from the factory is all on at the same time..that's everything..every light, even things/lights that would never be on at the same time, there is approximately 12-14 amps extra output available from the charging system at 3500+ RPM. A safe amount of this extra is fused and used for the accessory circuit...usually 10 amps. The rest is safety margin so the system is never over taxed. What should never happen is additions to existing systems like lights over 1 amp as they are designed with minimum wire size and fused to blow with only slight increases in load. There is no problem using a lighting circuit to trigger a separate relay as their coils draw in the milliamp range (Under 1 amp). LED lights pull much less amps then the wattage output suggests so even though some pod LEDs may not be able to be added directly to an existing circuit, they in no way will effect the charging charging system. From experience I can tell you that if you take the wattage of an LED and use any of the converters on the web to convert that to amps, the actual amp draw will be about half that. For example I have a 24" LED that should have pulled about 9 amps but it's actual draw was 4.6. Same for my 7" on back. It should have been about 5 but it's 2.4. Your pods will be fine. Just make them separate with a relay either triggered by the lighting or the accessory circuit and on a separate switch.. and always fuse any extra loads to the battery.   
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Offline Ulfthednar

Re: Electrical load.
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2022, 11:13:44 AM »
Right.

Just I know from previous that a lot of import vehicles were designed not to charge until mid RPM and too often were just barely enough to keep the bike charging with everything on. That used to drive me nuts sorting that out.

Start throwing in ECU and Fuel Injection where you have to have "at least X energy" available to run those items correctly and it's not old school wiring anymore!

Yeah, I'm not looking for Laser cannon, just lighting pointing where I'm turning.
I carry an actual compass not a GPS or a bunch of gizmos.
I might on occasion strap my Oontz on for sound but it's very low charging draw.

But it sounds like they quit doing that nonsense.

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2023 CFMoto CForce 800XC Camo/Orange Swapped, Heat Demon grip heater, Turn signal kit, All Balls winch remote kit. RNG Clutch kit w/ Scorpion 3 stage helix. Camso X4S tracks for winter fun. Ice biter chains for destroying asphalt.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Electrical load.
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2022, 12:36:31 PM »
They do charge some at idle so..just not as much as at a higher RPM. Fixed-magnet 3-plase a/c generators are like that.
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