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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Cforce 600 clutching
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2022, 12:32:05 PM »
Lets start by asking: - What about the B2 reclock isn't working for you and what do you need the 600 to do?
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Offline derekmac

Re: Cforce 600 clutching
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2022, 02:01:04 PM »
Lets start by asking: - What about the B2 reclock isn't working for you and what do you need the 600 to do?
To be honest, I'm just going off of what folks on different FB groups have been saying.  Most were saying that with the size and weight of these tires, just reclocking alone wouldn't be enough, and for better performance and service life, a clutch kit should be used as well.  This is my first CVT, so I admittedly know nothing about them. 

For what I need it to do?  I'll be plowing with it in the winter (will probably put stock tires back on for that), and I just want to make sure it can spin the tires fast enough in the mud to clear them out, and I want to avoid belt slippage (I do use low in mud and tight trails now).  I really just want to make things as easy on the machine as possible with this tire setup.

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Offline glenlivet

Re: Cforce 600 clutching
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2022, 02:10:33 PM »
2020 cforce 600 T.  i wanted to lower my starting rpm and cruising rpm.
This jumps out at me: " i wanted to lower my starting rpm and cruising rpm. "
The factory configured CF Moto CVT's seem to be quite conservatively clutched and the upshift advancement curve is a good bit below the torque curve. This is why a nice bit of pep can be recovered by fairly simple CVT adjustments that bring the operating RPM (and backshifting) curve closer to the engine's torque curve.

Changing your clutching to lower the operating and launch RPM wouldn't just make the machine run the same but with the motor turning slower for a given condition. I believe it would also be much more of a dog, with the operating RPM now being way below the torque curve. Being not of an overly large a displacement already it might have a hard time getting out of its own way.
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Cforce 600 clutching
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2022, 02:20:19 PM »
I think you need to try just the B2 for a while and see if it does all you need. Might be surprised to know that just a re-clocking had been all the majority needed. Some like to fine-tune but making major changes.. like tire changes will toss all that to the wind. People run the B2 from stock tires to 29s.  So, try it a while and make note of things that need improvement.
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Offline derekmac

Re: Cforce 600 clutching
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2022, 03:46:22 PM »
I think you need to try just the B2 for a while and see if it does all you need. Might be surprised to know that just a re-clocking had been all the majority needed. Some like to fine-tune but making major changes.. like tire changes will toss all that to the wind. People run the B2 from stock tires to 29s.  So, try it a while and make note of things that need improvement.
Will do, thank you!

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Offline derekmac

Re: Cforce 600 clutching
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2022, 04:51:43 PM »
So I did drive it around quite a bit, and just didn't really feel happy with how it was working.  I put a 1016 spring in with 12 gram weights, and it's now working just how I wanted it to.  Now this is all a learning process for me, so maybe this isn't the best setup that I went with, but I am very happy with it.  I didn't tell my son I made changes, and told him to take it for a quick rip.  He asked if I got it tuned or did clutch work, and said it's much snappier feeling now.