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Offline Unashamed

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2024, 06:50:07 AM »
My wife accuses me of not wanting me to sell anything.
I would offer just the opposite and plead that I am of the mind that I do not want to meet every Tom, Dick and Harry out there who either:

1) Do not understand the concept of 'firm' pricing and enjoy running down what you're offering at a more than fair or ridiculously low price...

2) Do not have the cash on hand to be talking out of their arse in the first place nor have they ever...which is the vast majority or near all who show up to waste your time.
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Offline Unashamed

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2024, 07:39:41 AM »
I'll go out on the limb here and make a few predictions:

1) That the next turndown in our economy will absolutely decimate the off-road/offshore industry and make 2008 look like a walk in the park.
2) That CF will figure a way to get around the above 'ban' and ship Mexico-made cars in here no differently than everyone and his brother is doing presently.
3) That CF will come out of this stronger than anyone on the playing field presently; especially as the aftermarket is equally devastated.

People seem to forget what us old folks did when we had a glut of old cars laying around which will be the case very soon with these side by sides. We sure as heck weren't going out and simply buying new just for the heck of it nor often times could we.
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Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2024, 10:42:26 AM »
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Offline Unashamed

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2024, 04:26:30 PM »
...oh there's more where that rant came from if someone doesn't start spilling the beans...and soon!  >:( ;D
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Offline Unashamed

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2024, 07:24:05 PM »
This was released 2 weeks ago regarding the topic:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gncZHIBThsI
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Offline Unashamed

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2024, 02:57:59 PM »
Latest video regarding the topic?:
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Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2024, 03:05:00 PM »
Was this fake news? Well, it looks that way. CF Moto is not going anywhere. In fact, they will only get bigger. So, were the likes of Polaris and Can-Am behind this? Maybe, just maybe. The video from MSC explains everything you need to know.
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Offline Ulfthednar

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2024, 05:27:26 PM »
Just found this.
yeah it's MSC but might clarify some issues.

2022 CFMoto CForce 800XC. Lava Orange/Camo Swapped 9x14-27/Fr 11x14-27/RR, Interco Sniper 920, RJWC header. MSC 90 intake.  
2023 CFMoto CForce 800XC Camo/Orange Swapped, Heat Demon grip heater, Turn signal kit, All Balls winch remote kit. RNG Clutch kit w/ Scorpion 3 stage helix. Camso X4S tracks for winter fun. Ice biter chains for destroying asphalt.

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Offline Ulfthednar

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2024, 05:32:54 PM »
Was this fake news? Well, it looks that way. CF Moto is not going anywhere. In fact, they will only get bigger. So, were the likes of Polaris and Can-Am behind this? Maybe, just maybe. The video from MSC explains everything you need to know.

dang you beat me to it . . .
2022 CFMoto CForce 800XC. Lava Orange/Camo Swapped 9x14-27/Fr 11x14-27/RR, Interco Sniper 920, RJWC header. MSC 90 intake.  
2023 CFMoto CForce 800XC Camo/Orange Swapped, Heat Demon grip heater, Turn signal kit, All Balls winch remote kit. RNG Clutch kit w/ Scorpion 3 stage helix. Camso X4S tracks for winter fun. Ice biter chains for destroying asphalt.

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Offline Unashamed

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2024, 07:14:36 PM »
It was good to see those Z10s coming off of the line albeit halfway around the world destined for somewhere else.
Gives me hope that someone is/soon will be beating the crap out of possibly a good number of them somewhere before Mexico shifts gears and we all become beta testers.
I'm guessing that they're already allocating a good number of some models to the military no differently than Polaris/others have done. Here's to their guys and those in MN right now abusing them as well.   




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Offline Unashamed

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2024, 07:28:40 PM »
...as for the "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" identical messages regarding our topic delivered by almost everyone/everywhere to date(?)
I'm more concerned that no one will intelligently identify the problem itself nor what technology/parts are involved in detail.
None of this resembles how previous generations used to 'no holds barred' express themselves nor hash out very real issues affecting their livelihoods or passions in the least.
There are specific problems here that have been explicitly brought forward by our employees so just come out and say it/save everyone the drama.
 
This whole concern is legitimate and is not going away (ever).

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Offline Ulfthednar

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2024, 10:21:02 AM »
I've been in a situation or two that are similar to this.
I am not saying Im a corporate insider, just wised up enough to have learned the hard way to listen to my gut.
In my experience, I've found dealing with msc is a series of headaches and I've had to force issues with them by providing billing data directly out of my bank statements to put them against a wall and Ive found I can find pretty much find all the after market parts elsewhere.
That aside, they are heavily invested in the CFMoto brand.
It would be absolutely idiotic for them to mislead or misdirect people

I would however, watch other CFMoto vendors and suppliers.

Im pretty sure that some of the issues have much to do with the trends of our so called political manipulators.
Err . .  political administration, which has proven succintly over past decades that the status qou in politicis is more inerested in securing their financial fortunes at our expense than in reasonable marketing and trade that benefits the everyday person.

It kind of ticks me off.
And yes, I am immediately skeptical of anything made in China.

After literal months of research I pulled the trigger on the first one.
Partly because of ghosting here and the large number of posts and videos about CFMoto online.
I had the money to pay for a Canam or polaris.
 
But I was looking for dual purpose (utility/recreational) and even if id paid cash out it would have been MONTHS before the machine showed up. Not to mention I would have spent Twice as much to get one, then spent half again as much to get the basics on it.

Im kind of two minds on the riding population. I might have been spanking new to quads (too poor as a single parent), but I've been a rider for forty years. Some people are bikers, some are just riders. Some people belong in the back country on an OHV, and some people should be pushed over the nearest cliff.
I can't see the sense in people paying more for an ATV than for a reliable car. never mind paying more for a limited use UTV/SXS than for a base model pickup.

The market trend then was (no joke) seeing battered twenty year old base ATVs for $8000 . . .
Id actually stopped and looked at a few of the CFMs and stopped by a number of shops looking at options on others.
I'd trust a Honda or yamaha etc anyday.
But they didnt have them, and they didnt have them meeting my requirements.
I needed something strong enough to haul stuff UP my yard and something I could cruise around the woods and was reasonably adept at trail riding and some roughhouse play. Ive kinda grown out of the phase of "how far can I jump my pickup truck" and not regret it.

I think that CFMoto might be Chinas exploration into actual quality production.
I know, they made certain choices to keep the cost down, but they did NOT shirk on the engine.
Oh yeah they could have shifted the power curves towards 'sport' but their target is utility/leisure and they pretty much nailed it.
But now also have SXS models aimed more at the sport side of riding.
I also believe that they make it possible for a lot of people to actually enjoy the sport without going broke doing so.

I don't know a whole lot of Normal working folks that can throw down $50k for a polaris/canam/etc that shows the same problems as CMotos (which in many cases have less issues than the others) But 20k for a rippy zippy 950 sport is affordable.

In my state I'm fortunate that you can legally ride them on the street, so mine cover utility/recreation/transportation.
Except for a few issues (which I figured out between information here and careful trouble shooting) Ive had nothing but a screaming blast with mine.
Ive used them for skidding logs (largest one to date was a 40' one with a 12" butt), for yarding up hand built gambrel trusses on my beekeeping shed, yard work and hours and miles of cruising the woods.
I harvest standing dead and blow downs for poles and posts often, using them as mechanical leverage to control falls and skidding pole bundles.
They've gotten me to work when nothing else would start in sub zero weather as well.
Theyve never failed to start, theyve never failed to get me home even with a damaged wiring harness or a damaged oil pump gear (entirely my fault). both of which once I pin pointed the problem was a relatively easy repair.
They really are generally EASY to work on. Not always simple, but easy.

It would be an absolute shame to ban them.
The cost vs value is really pretty exceptional when most trends are to make the little guy suffer in the wallet.

2022 CFMoto CForce 800XC. Lava Orange/Camo Swapped 9x14-27/Fr 11x14-27/RR, Interco Sniper 920, RJWC header. MSC 90 intake.  
2023 CFMoto CForce 800XC Camo/Orange Swapped, Heat Demon grip heater, Turn signal kit, All Balls winch remote kit. RNG Clutch kit w/ Scorpion 3 stage helix. Camso X4S tracks for winter fun. Ice biter chains for destroying asphalt.

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Offline Unashamed

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2024, 04:01:04 PM »
In my experience, I've found dealing with msc is a series of headaches and I've had to force issues with them by providing billing data directly out of my bank statements to put them against a wall and Ive found I can find pretty much find all the after market parts elsewhere.
That aside, they are heavily invested in the CFMoto brand.
It would be absolutely idiotic for them to mislead or misdirect people

Just to clarify, I am not accusing anyone out there of misleading or misdirecting to date nor believe that you just implied so. What I am pointing out is this ridiculous game being played presently promoting the premise of everyone apparently being flat out stupid concerning any *reasoning* surrounding future actions being taken by the government, why or that any possible are likely well past being needed.
I'll comment later on the rest of your post (thanks for your opinion by the way) yet our problem today seems to be very few out there willing to pick up a newspaper (or whatever) every once in a while...which scares the heck out of me about a week from now.
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Offline Ulfthednar

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2024, 04:14:32 PM »
I stopped reading newspapers when I started realizing that agenda/media connections and when newspaper were more focused on hysterical overfluff and read like a National Enquirer as the National Enquirer became more closely accurate to stuff really going on. Talk about a forehead slapper.
2022 CFMoto CForce 800XC. Lava Orange/Camo Swapped 9x14-27/Fr 11x14-27/RR, Interco Sniper 920, RJWC header. MSC 90 intake.  
2023 CFMoto CForce 800XC Camo/Orange Swapped, Heat Demon grip heater, Turn signal kit, All Balls winch remote kit. RNG Clutch kit w/ Scorpion 3 stage helix. Camso X4S tracks for winter fun. Ice biter chains for destroying asphalt.

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Offline Unashamed

Re: CF Moto Banned by 2027!!!
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2024, 06:42:49 PM »
I stopped reading newspapers when I started realizing that agenda/media connections and when newspaper were more focused on hysterical overfluff and read like a National Enquirer as the National Enquirer became more closely accurate to stuff really going on. Talk about a forehead slapper.

I'm down to two subscriptions:
The Epoch Times (definitely not fans of the Chinese Communist Party)
The WSJ weekend edition (definitely not fair and balanced yet news that I can't find anywhere else regarding what is relevant in a fallen world this side of salvation: wealth, power and the mechanics of how we are all being dragged along by both worldwide).

I've read the latter for decades on/off and would recommend even just the weekend edition to anyone who wants to understand why we are in the mess that we are presently and where we are likely headed next. I don't like surprises.
Today's youth don't like to hear about what those truly running things are up to due to their 'repugnant' wealth and power.
I would contend that they had better pay more attention for obvious reasons.
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