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At any rate it would suck.
I've had a few issues with mine that except for the "power sports" affiliated markup have been pretty easily repaired at home using my manuals, information from this site, RNG and a few others.

Any of this would suck if played out yet it is encouraging to me that you have gotten around things as I'm hoping to as well with the Z10.
 

BVut  those issues routinely pop up in the Big Box brands and cost as much to fix, not to mention the initial cost of buying one of them. Seriously some of them (Polaris/Canam in particular) are half the price of what I paid for my home on a nearly five acre lot...."

I just added my bare acreage to the cost of what it took to build mine years ago and I'm getting about the same figure or less

The fact that they come with a USABLE and useful winch alone if a big plus.
I've used mine a fair bit both working and self extacting.

I've never bought one with a winch installed and always had to figure out how to put a hitch receiver on the front, wires strung everywhere, etc. so that I only had to use one for the front/rear. I could probably get by now with the OEM in the front and one of those self-contained models/pulleys for everything else.

I REALLY like the compartmentalized design of the engine as well.
I had to replace a broken oil pump gear and was dreading it, but it's been one of the easiest things I've worked on.
I don't really consider myself a 'mechanic' but I do have a fair degree of aptitude and have done quite a few major repairs on my vehicles over the years. rebuilt engines, manual transmissions, differentials, axles, and basically completely rewired my 74 ramcharger (Ill take my old 60s - 80s truck, please)

Ditto on how they designed the engine. Evidently a place already built in for an intercooler and who knows what else for performance upgrades including that optional alternator. I wish that there was more out there on it yet I don't do social media so perhaps there is and I'm just missing it. My next vehicle purchase will likely be one of the same vintage trucks that you mention above. I would value a truck such as that in 'cherry' condition over just about anything that I can think of at the moment and would have fun tinkering with it as with the Z10.
Need to do more research and be blessed enough to run across something for a decent price that is universally agreed upon to be bulletproof.

and newer vehicles are a cluster$@!$ of over engineered redundancies and interlinked systems that make troubleshooting an absolute pain to resolve.

We just bought one for my wife a few years ago and already have a major recall. Had to spend a few thousand more on a 100K+ mileage warranty just to make sure that an engine failure or even less wouldn't junk the whole purchase in a snap of the finger. I didn't know what else do with replacement parts and labor rates sky high and my patience for tearing everything apart to get to something stupid or not pretty much non-existent a this stage in my life.
 

  hate to say it but with a little patience, my 800xc's are kinda fun to work on and I don't have to be a millionaire to be able to do so.

If I didn't have my wife to worry about and I could easily put power steering/better suspension on my 'ol 2000 Sportsman 500 that I can't bear to part with (or buy newer technology such as that 800xc likely sports) I'm not sure that I still wouldn't still be riding one.

This Z10 just ticks all the boxes for me with ride comfort being a big part of it and that suspension adjustment on the fly. I would almost consider that stiffer suspension setting on the steering wheel to be an 'oh crap' button given my aggressiveness level today as compared to the past.

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Id seen an article about a year and a half ago that at least strongly hinted at building an actual production facility here. to the point that they were presenting images of a rather large place.
Of course, I can't find them now . . . getting sick of this milksop filtered fake internet.
I want the WWW back.

Anyway, given chinese manufacture is chinese manufacture Ive been nothing but generally pleased with, while maybe not top tier; the overall quality of these OHVs.
It says something that not just KTM and CVTech work with them, but that Yamaha has entered a partnership as well.
(https://global.yamaha-motor.com/news/2023/0915/corporate.html)
It was finding out KTM and CVTech were working with them that make me more comfortable about purchasing the first one.

While I like my OLD Harleys certainly, I've wised up enough to recognize the absolute quality of Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki over the years.

Although there are definitely certain things that china puts out that we should be wary of, Im pretty CFMoto might be running to a higher standard for their manufacturing.

The cynical side of me suspects that an alterior motive might be widening the divide between the have and havenots.
Cfmotos open the door to decent quality and definite rideability, Ive spent hours in the saddle without anything other than throttle thumb issues, partially due to nerve damage.

I know a lot of people go out on a limb for The Two Biggies financially, but I'm a lowend thousandaire, not a millionaire and I really enjoy being out on the trails, going further out affordably and exploring.

While I have had issues with mine, they have never failed to get me all the way home even though my relative inexperience with quads leaves me in the "every issue is alearning experience" box.

I've been able to diagnose (some through trial and error, and a lot with help from greater experience) every issue and FIX it rather than just bandaid it.

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I'm sure that they had looked at/shopped/even announced U.S. manufacturing here given the sheer number of local and state officials not to mention developers/corporations more than willing to bend over backwards for the CCP. There has been no limit on this in the last 4 years/longer and certainly no debate until the deals are already done.
I long for the old WWW as well simply for the fact that everything is simply erased so easily anymore by those with the power to do so (never happened).
Agree as well that Yamaha, KTM and CVTech read the writing on the wall. I am also not as leery as I would be with similarly priced  things given the simplicity of the car the relatively low price, my assessment of what CF engineers offered at launch and even the reaction of invitees on that day who drove the Z10/4. We are so connected nowadays that hiding even the less than obvious in terms of quality is a lot more difficult. Let's hope that their Mexico plant is state of the art and their workers competent/well trained with conscious management. They had better ship samples and/or pics to Wisconsin on a regular basis. I'm glad that their atvs are actually fixable versus only bandaidable.
It is getting to be a tiered sport and I don't like it. 'Run what you brung' used to be the mantra. You showed up sometimes encase and had fun which I think is still happening in a good number of areas. I've never figured out why everyone likes to eat each other's dust in these days of excellent communications but who am I. Everyone will get there eventually.
I have previously lusted after ever-wider cars with the unheard of suspension until they got large, expensive and not near as nimble.
My perfect car at a price that I'm willing to pay will likely stop (for now) at the 64" Z10/4 (as is) with that same engine boosted to 212 HP as rumored. 

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....I'm still blown away that nobody will come forward regarding the topic of this thread and give us all some kind of update.
I/we just have so much going on that I'm not sure that we''ll have time to ride anyways when it comes in (if ever).
If I was new to the sport or even way in to it and this car presented a unique opportunity both budget and feature-wise...how many are going to spend 6 months of their life picking through the train wreck of what just happened with no clue?

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....I'm still blown away that nobody will come forward regarding the topic of this thread and give us all some kind of update.
I/we just have so much going on that I'm not sure that we''ll have time to ride anyways when it comes in (if ever).
If I was new to the sport or even way in to it and this car presented a unique opportunity both budget and feature-wise...how many are going to spend 6 months of their life picking through the train wreck of what just happened with no clue?

Unfortunately a lot of the trash that needs taken out is spread far and wide through the government.

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....I'm still blown away that nobody will come forward regarding the topic of this thread and give us all some kind of update.
I/we just have so much going on that I'm not sure that we''ll have time to ride anyways when it comes in (if ever).
If I was new to the sport or even way in to it and this car presented a unique opportunity both budget and feature-wise...how many are going to spend 6 months of their life picking through the train wreck of what just happened with no clue?

Unfortunately a lot of the trash that needs taken out is spread far and wide through the government.

What would puzzle me if I were forced on to the slow back road versus the highway to spend that kind of money is the guy in front of me simply slamming on the brakes, broadsiding it back the other way and then stopping to tell me before he sped off:
"Yeah, I don't know what the heck just happened or care but...I'm out".

With the funny thing being?
I just might follow him well before this is all through given the equally bizarre manner that this historically long launch is heading with zero guidance.

At some point you start to not trust who you are dealing with given the amount of money involved.
Probably akin to some good 'ol proportional math story problem (answer).

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https://powersportsbusiness.com/latest-news/2023/12/19/cfmoto-and-potential-motors-announce-industry-first-adas-technology-for-ohvs/
It would be interesting to hear if this technology/partnership would be targeted in the future or now.

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That reminds me of a conversation with a guy who classified hiomself as a woodsman because he could rely on his cellphone for mapping and GPS.
I was taught land navigation as a kid and the principles of self resuce and direction finding.

Now they want to create more stuff to reduce the concept of self awareness, self reliance and the ability to accurately make choices without AI . . . AI that not only takes oveer thinking for you, but plots every little place you go and reports via uplink.

Oh dear.

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That reminds me of a conversation with a guy who classified hiomself as a woodsman because he could rely on his cellphone for mapping and GPS.
I was taught land navigation as a kid and the principles of self resuce and direction finding.

Now they want to create more stuff to reduce the concept of self awareness, self reliance and the ability to accurately make choices without AI . . . AI that not only takes oveer thinking for you, but plots every little place you go and reports via uplink.
Oh dear.

...and now we're left to wonder whether this ban is all about Apple Play, the AI-based Canadian company collusion crap that you reference above or a combination of the two and/or some other device installed on units that CFMoto obviously doesn't want to talk about now, ever since this all went down nor likely long before.
If I were Polaris an CanAm(?) I'd be making hay out of this fiasco non-stop everywhere that I could.

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Coming up on a month now with no real news from anybody concerning a pretty big deal for CF, dealers and new customers (ie. market survival).
This election is obviously going to change the course of human history. I see layoffs everywhere and everyone absolutely frozen including obviously a company poised to capitalize..maybe.

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So bottom line. Will the apple car play make the Z10 legal if the legislation passes ? Or is it best to take a wait and see stance ? Thanks

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So bottom line. Will the apple car play make the Z10 legal if the legislation passes ? Or is it best to take a wait and see stance ? Thanks

Nobody is telling us a thing here in the U.S. as that information and more importantly your last resulting answer resides with a select few in MN and possibly a few dealer owners who have zero incentive to say anything. Who knows how Apple figures in here nor how this AI-based Canadian company seeking to slap stuff on it does either.
I haven't pulled my deposit as it's not at risk on a handshake yet I can't imagine anyone plopping down $500 or more just to find out otherwise. Flipside; you might end up so far down on any list that the same or next car will be releasing at near the same time as a Z10 full production model for a few thousand more at 212 HP.

I'm impatiently waiting after seeing the patent drawing elsewhere on the net for a bolt on intercooler using likely the same detuned 3 cyl. engine. My takeaway from their launch engineers and others who were there that day is that they are not stopping here nor slowing down.

Now whether geo-politics takes over in about two weeks all the way through sometime in January/February or likely longer (as it surely will) who knows. 
Best timing ever for Polaris and CanAm in this category.

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Yeah the silence is deafening on this one. I guess I'll keep my deposit on this. As that's my only commitment at this time as well. Hopefully some new will Crack the wall of silence soon.

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Same. This one's going to be hard to pass up in the spring/whenever if everyone can keep their delivery/setup/MSRP pricing promises and dealers keep theirs regarding refundable deposits.
I'm getting my old sxs ready to broom either way as most out there will obviously be worth a lot less if they ever drop.
I haven't checked yet I'm guessing that everyone's taking a bath trying to sell anything used off-road (period) already given the great economy we're (not) all in right now...

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Yeah I'm experiencing that. I've had my 24 u force 1000 on the market for 2 weeks now for 10.5 k . It's got a few upgrades and I'm seeing very little intrest.