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If this makes you feel like a bigger man by claiming a win, it's all yours Nighthawk.
This has nothing to do with me being a dealer. It has to do with the integrity of the brand, and the forum. You're sitting there typing things as if they are fact, when there has been ZERO as far as an official release from CFMoto regarding both of your claims, except for them to say there is no truth behind it.
I'm going to take the word of the several CFMoto employees who get their paychecks from CFMoto before I'll take the word of a rumor mill.
As a supporting member AND vendor, my concern is integrity. While a small stake, I still have time and money invested in the forum, but I also have several hundred thousands invested in the CFMoto brand, not to mention the countless hours of my own time reaching out to parts vendors trying to push the CFMoto name. I pushed my rep into getting more units to SuperATV so they could R&A accessories beyond just windshield.
I would LOVE to see them come out with a 1000cc or higher. Even more, I would like to see them release a 4-seater. I've got a few people hanging on hoping come August they introduce one at the dealer's meeting.
But as of now, there's no official release. Rumors tend to do more damage than good, especially when they turn out to be false. It makes the brand look bad. It frustrates would be customers when someone like yourself claims that it's 100% fact they are coming out with a factory in the US and a larger CC motor, then 2017 models roll out and neither of those things are true.
The 1000cc holds some water. I HIGHLY doubt the Chinese would bring a plant here to the States. The extremely high cost to operate and employee a factory in the States is not only far from beneficial, but would cause the unit to blow out any chance of being in a price point like current models. Those two aside, global trends continue to see manufacturing going to China... Not coming to the States.
I wasn't badgering you, I was asking to please calm down on the rumors. Again, you may call it a pissing match, but as for my self, I see it as making sure we give current and possible new customers FACTS that they can base their decisions on, and not hold out for something that may not be true, that will then turn them and their friends off the brand. A negative voice towards anything ALWAYS travels farther than something positive. If you are in sales as you say, you should already know that.
Once last thought. I've been dealing with the Chinese since 2002. My father and I got into Chinese products when I was 16. I've learned a lot in the last 14 years. The one thing I learned the most about the Chinese is EXACTLY what the folks from Pacific UTV said. You can NOT trust the word of the Chinese until you see it in person. They will say what ever they have to in order to get your praise or acceptance. In some cases, they'll say it to shut you up and continue to buy their product. We had been promised MANY things from MANY manufacters along these last 14 years, and a LOT of those things were nothing more than empty promises.
I have my sales rep, the head of parts, and two Chinese nationals coming from the factory, who's names I will gladly share once the meeting is over (I'd share now but I don't know their names). They are supposed to be here the 29th or the 30th. (Just got word it changed). But even then, I was told when I was having those engine issues someone from the factory was coming, and no one ever did.
I will gladly bring up these rumors, and even record the responses if it makes you feel better, and see what they have to say.
Again, my point with all of that was simply do not spread rumors especially ones that could be damaging. You might forget, rumors of a 1000cc for 2016 were running rampant last year, and guess what, no 1000. Turned a LOT of people off the brand. So to do it a second time in a row and to have no 1000cc would be pretty damaging. This brand is still working to gain momentum and I'd hate to see the legs cut out from under it over stupid rumors.
You said tight lipped. Chinese. Your vague answers don't help the cause. Do your part to help the brand not set it back. That's all I'm asking