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Offline Odey1979

rough running under light throttle
« on: May 28, 2021, 06:18:51 AM »
So the newest thing I'm noticing is running rough under light throttle. Just easily cruising down the trail it seems to skip a little and hesitate. Let off and it runs/idles fine, nail it and it comes right to life. Just that cruising area. I'm wondering if its a gas issue as everything seems ok otherwise. I'll admit I've been running just the regular 89 octane from the gas station up the street. Mainly because thats whats been in the cans for the lawn mower, snowblower ect...
Is it just now saying hmm "ethanol bad". I have heard these things like higher octane than I've been running too but it was fine last year and this winter plowing snow. What does everyone else run? Any other experiences with plain 89 pump gas with ethanol? I'm trying to run it through now to dump some fresh 93 in and see. I tossed VP Madditive in it this morning so I'll give that a go later also. Thanks guys
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2021, 09:06:52 AM »
They run fine on 86-91 octane and I have never had any problem with ethanol as that all we have at this altitude. These are however fussy about aged fuels...ie anything over a month or more old. Water in the fuel is also an issue as it collects in the filter and reduces rail or pressure at the injectors. Winter month's usage can increase the amount of moisture at the tank. As a test, jack up the front end about 6"s then the drivers side a few so that any free water will collect at the rear outer corner of the tank. Then slip a siphon hose into that corner and pull some fuel. Either drop it or let it go a second in a pan. Water will show under the fuel.

If it hasn't been done in a while check your valves as well.   
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Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2021, 12:05:14 PM »
So the newest thing I'm noticing is running rough under light throttle. Just easily cruising down the trail it seems to skip a little and hesitate. Let off and it runs/idles fine, nail it and it comes right to life. Just that cruising area. I'm wondering if its a gas issue as everything seems ok otherwise. I'll admit I've been running just the regular 89 octane from the gas station up the street. Mainly because thats whats been in the cans for the lawn mower, snowblower ect...
Is it just now saying hmm "ethanol bad". I have heard these things like higher octane than I've been running too but it was fine last year and this winter plowing snow. What does everyone else run? Any other experiences with plain 89 pump gas with ethanol? I'm trying to run it through now to dump some fresh 93 in and see. I tossed VP Madditive in it this morning so I'll give that a go later also. Thanks guys
I'd run some higher octane in it and see if that does it. Change out the fuel filter, and I would run some non-ethanol fuel in it as well. Here is a decent article put in laymen terms on ethanol.https://blog.amsoil.com/how-to-fight-ethanol-problems-in-small-engines/

I know, I know... CFMOTO only mentions octane rating only, and yes of course ay least based on the fact these are modern machines, it should run on ethanol. Well... They do run on ethanol but maybe not so great of running across the power band?

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Offline Odey1979

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2021, 03:01:12 PM »
The fuel is probably about a month or so old in it and it’s been sitting a bit outside this spring too. I’ll look into those things. The valves were adjusted a few hundred miles ago. I’ll check for moisture this weekend and fill it with some better gas. See what happens
2020 zforce 800 trail, uni air filter w/filterwear prefilter sock, intake relocation mod w/ SYA snorkel guard, Super atv flip windshield, rear window, and door lowers, ricochet skids, bandit springs, custom made 2" lift,1" wheel spacers, custom 2" seat lift, sway bar delete, gas pedal mod, KFI 66” snow plow, synthetic winch cable, front and rear light bars, portable harbor freight winch modified to work with battery tender adaptor for auxiliary use.

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Offline doug80638

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2021, 04:21:18 PM »

Interesting. I run 87, young and old (sometimes several months) and never have an  issue. Ethanol is only a problem if it is exposed to water (moisture in the air does not count) or is over 3+ months old.

If it runs good at idle and at speed, then the fuel (and injectors) should be fine. I'd be more concerned with other factors.

I would be looking at voltage at idle and plugs and leads to start. Might also clean the t-map sensor in case it is responding sluggishly.  I'd check air filter for restrictions and clean the throttle body. Then maybe the valve lash.

But changing the fuel won't hurt either.
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Offline Odey1979

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2021, 07:21:59 AM »
Added VP ethonol shield additive to the gas. Got it from the dealer, they seem to love it. I put it in on my way out to work in the morning and took it out when i got home. Didn't skip a beat, guess that was it. Maybe just a slightly worse batch of gas than the rest who knows. Shes happy now though. Also cleaned the airbox out. Seperate post.
2020 zforce 800 trail, uni air filter w/filterwear prefilter sock, intake relocation mod w/ SYA snorkel guard, Super atv flip windshield, rear window, and door lowers, ricochet skids, bandit springs, custom made 2" lift,1" wheel spacers, custom 2" seat lift, sway bar delete, gas pedal mod, KFI 66” snow plow, synthetic winch cable, front and rear light bars, portable harbor freight winch modified to work with battery tender adaptor for auxiliary use.

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Offline doug80638

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2021, 09:05:54 AM »

That's very strange. This is a fuel storage product. The company makes lots of generic marketing claims without any evidence to back it up, and there are many sources that debunk the claims as being made on false premises and bad science.

The content list is nothing special, and quite frankly, reads like snake oil. It certainly doesn't seem to contain anything that would have an immediate impact on performance.

Prevents, Protects, extends, etc.  Formulated by our mad scientist! Well, the contents are the same as lots of other additive products on any auto parts store shelf.

But you can't argue with results. I just worry that if it is having any impact at all, it is masking something, or is just a coincidence of timing.

Good luck.

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SuperATV Flip windshield
Tusk soft rear window
Uni-Filter foam air filter
Bandit springs

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2021, 03:26:15 PM »
There's real science behind this product. "PRI-G"
I've added it to a barrels of gas we had in storage for over 3 years plus, installed it back in the boat we had re-fitted and it smelled fresh, and it ran excellent.

https://priproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/2015-PRI-G-For-Small-Engines.pdf


We have also been using their diesel additive for many years.


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Offline glenlivet

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2021, 12:18:26 PM »
Offered as opinion, with full respect to the experiences of others:
The link above appears to say the same things about that particular stabilizer as other brands of stabilizer say about themselves in that it works to delay the loss of volatile elements in stored gasoline so that the gas remains 'fresh' for a longer period. It makes no claim that I could find, that adding it to old gas will restore these elements and in truth it's hard to imagine how it could do so. Adding stuff to old stored gas in order to fix it seems like closing the barn door after the horses have gone, to flog that old metaphor a bit more.
But if it does, as a rank amateur non-chemist I'm willing to be surprised, and educated.  :)

My experience with the CF Moto and stored gas, is that to my shame and blame I am guilty of locking up my SXS over the winter months without having added stabilizer to the 87 octane 10% ethanol gas in it. As I use the quad to plow, the SXS sits neglected for 4 months or so, and so far I have not experienced any adverse effects in running due to the gas being old, in fact it spins and starts as though it were parked yesterday. I'm not advocating this level of care, just saying this is what happened.
Of course gasoline retailers in different jurisdictions add additives to suit their markets, regulations, and brands and this comparing my gas to yours might be comparing apples to oranges but a few of months old gasoline doesn't make my 800 run poorly, is all I'm trying to say. :D
For a nation to believe it can tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and believing he can raise himself by pulling on the handle - Winston Churchill

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Offline Sockman

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2021, 04:14:48 PM »
My experience with the CF Moto and stored gas, is that to my shame and blame I am guilty of locking up my SXS over the winter months without having added stabilizer to the 87 octane 10% ethanol gas in it. As I use the quad to plow, the SXS sits neglected for 4 months or so, and so far I have not experienced any adverse effects in running due to the gas being old, in fact it spins and starts as though it were parked yesterday. I'm not advocating this level of care, just saying this is what happened.
Of course gasoline retailers in different jurisdictions add additives to suit their markets, regulations, and brands and this comparing my gas to yours might be comparing apples to oranges but a few of months old gasoline doesn't make my 800 run poorly, is all I'm trying to say. :D

Mostly the same, but I will play with the Z a little bit over the winter months, but never enough to add fuel to the tank.  So, it's essentially running off the same non-ethanol fuel for several months and I've never had any trouble.
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Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2021, 06:36:13 PM »
It makes no claim that I could find, that adding it to old gas will restore these elements and in truth it's hard to imagine how it could do so. Adding stuff to old stored gas in order to fix it seems like closing the barn door after the horses have gone, to flog that
From. the website...
"PRI-G may be used at double strength to restore old, stale gasoline when mixed thoroughly with the fuel"

That stated, I find the insurance to be more sound, to simply buy new gas.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2021, 07:14:56 PM »
I'm think'n.. if your having to worry about storing your UTV's fuel...you just ain't ride'n enough.. :)

« Last Edit: June 09, 2021, 11:44:27 AM by NMKawierider »
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Offline Sockman

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2021, 09:25:02 AM »
I'm think'n.. if your having to worry about storing your UTV's fuel...you just ain't ride'n enough.. :)

When yer right, yer right!
« Last Edit: June 09, 2021, 11:44:53 AM by NMKawierider »
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Offline Odey1979

Re: rough running under light throttle
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2021, 08:42:50 AM »

That's very strange. This is a fuel storage product. The company makes lots of generic marketing claims without any evidence to back it up, and there are many sources that debunk the claims as being made on false premises and bad science.

The content list is nothing special, and quite frankly, reads like snake oil. It certainly doesn't seem to contain anything that would have an immediate impact on performance.

Prevents, Protects, extends, etc.  Formulated by our mad scientist! Well, the contents are the same as lots of other additive products on any auto parts store shelf.

But you can't argue with results. I just worry that if it is having any impact at all, it is masking something, or is just a coincidence of timing.

Good luck.


To be honest I'm with you on this. I agree theres a place for this stuff with storage or just sitting for awhile.
2020 zforce 800 trail, uni air filter w/filterwear prefilter sock, intake relocation mod w/ SYA snorkel guard, Super atv flip windshield, rear window, and door lowers, ricochet skids, bandit springs, custom made 2" lift,1" wheel spacers, custom 2" seat lift, sway bar delete, gas pedal mod, KFI 66” snow plow, synthetic winch cable, front and rear light bars, portable harbor freight winch modified to work with battery tender adaptor for auxiliary use.