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Offline chuddly

Helix shoe sliders
« on: February 24, 2017, 06:33:44 AM »
I had to replace my helix shoe sliders a month or so ago.  My machine had a little over 1k miles on it at that point and I found it kind of amazing that they were REALLY worn at that point.  I also didnt like the "grippyness" of them as they are supposed to be a sliding surface.  I have ordered some Delrin (Polyoxymethylene) which is a super stable plastic that is slippery like ice.  I think im going to make some helix sliders out of it and see if I can improve on the clutch performance.  I will keep you guys up to date as the project progresses.  But i wanted to get everyone elses experience with the helix sliders (there are 3 of them in your clutch and I will post a picture below) and how yours look after how ever many miles you have.  This mod should make the up shift and back shift much smoother and more fluid which i have found to be an issue on these machines.
I can imagine a world completely at peace.  A world where there are no weapons, no war, and no violence at all.  And I can imagine us taking over that world because they would never expect it.

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Offline Wheels

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2017, 06:43:21 AM »
I'll try a set, I'm to lazy to build new
If it has Pistons or Tits you will encounter problems.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2017, 09:11:26 AM »
This is the #1 reason I did so much to filter the incoming air...that and what was happening to the primary sliders. And I was also looking for input on a back-shifting problem I was having which is when there is a load on the sliders such as under power on a hill climb, they don't want to slide back unless either the slope is reduced or a flick the throttle and take the pressure off the slides. Its better on the A2 because of the spring preload but that's actually way to much for any other riding...at least my riding...so I needed a mod to make those slide easier....and it looks like its Chuddly to the rescue! :)

Just a side note, when I have mine apart I polish both sides and apply some weapons-grade graphite and that works very well...for a little while, then it wears off so a material change to Delrin is going to help. Wish the ramps were steel though.

 
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

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Offline Cosmosdan

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2017, 09:08:11 PM »
Mine were shot pretty quick too. I thought about making some Delrin ones too, but they are an odd shape and just didn't want to go there. If you can pull off a good set of these, I think you won't have problems again.
2013 Z6 Trail
Iron Baltic skid plates
UE Boom Speaker mount
RZR 800 Shocks
Mostly stock trail riding
25g. Rollers and A1

2016 Outlander max 570
Too new for mods yet

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Offline davidpaul

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2017, 02:38:20 AM »
I had to replace my helix shoe sliders a month or so ago.  My machine had a little over 1k miles on it at that point and I found it kind of amazing that they were REALLY worn at that point.  I also didnt like the "grippyness" of them as they are supposed to be a sliding surface.  I have ordered some Delrin (Polyoxymethylene) which is a super stable plastic that is slippery like ice.  I think im going to make some helix sliders out of it and see if I can improve on the clutch performance.  I will keep you guys up to date as the project progresses.  But i wanted to get everyone elses experience with the helix sliders (there are 3 of them in your clutch and I will post a picture below) and how yours look after how ever many miles you have.  This mod should make the up shift and back shift much smoother and more fluid which i have found to be an issue on these machines.

Did you notice if the spring rubs on the centre boss like mine does
2015 Zforce 800, Dr Pulley weights and sliders, Dobeck EJK, Innovate Motorsports AFR gauge,
Custom exhaust outlet, Ramair foam air filter, Led light bars, Modified air intake, CRD a-arm guards

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Offline Wheels

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2017, 09:52:43 AM »
Some do rub.
If it has Pistons or Tits you will encounter problems.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2017, 10:03:53 AM »
Some do rub.
Mine rubbed/touched too. I flipped the spring and colored the old rub area with a marker...and it didn't hit anymore last time I had it apart.
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline chuddly

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2017, 06:43:45 AM »
Mine never rubbed.  That would be a spring issue. 

Quick update on this project.  I have a brand new helix shoe on its way and the Delrin should show up at my house today.  I am going to make a cast mold of the original shoe and then try to melt/cast the Delrin into the mold I made of the original. It may be a week or 2 before I get some real movement on this because I'm helping at a race event this weekend and that will consume a lot of my free time.
I can imagine a world completely at peace.  A world where there are no weapons, no war, and no violence at all.  And I can imagine us taking over that world because they would never expect it.

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Offline autorvshop

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2017, 12:56:42 PM »
has anyone seen a secondart for cf moto that has rollers inssten of the plastc slider, my son replacewd his maverick secondary with new clutch assm that had roller bearing i belive it was from sms clutchs, not sure of the brand, my helix slides or no longrer round they have also flated out, will replace them this weekend, this is in 900 miles thanks
2015 Z800 EX
IRON BALISTIC SKID PLATES
4600 LB WINCH  HOMEMADE BACKBONES
SUPER ATV FULL TILT WINDSHIELD
DUAL BATTERYS   CUSTOM AIR FILTER RELOCATION
42 IN LIGHT BAR, PLUS 4IN SPOTS
TWO BROTHERS EXHAUST
TWIN AIR FILTER
HOME MADE DOORS
TUSK INSIDE ROOF PACK
DOUGLAS MOAPA RUN FLAT TIRES 28  10 FT 12 REAR DOUGLAS STEALTH 8 IN WHEELS FRT, 10 IN WHEELS REAR
QUICK DISCONNECT FIRE EXT
RACKBOSS RACK AND PINION WITH UPGRADED TIRE RODS AND ENDS
EJK TUNER
PRO ARMOR 5 POINT BELTS
18 GRAM SELF MODIFIED DR. PULLEY SLIDERS
SECONDARY CLOCKED TO C2
RIVAL FRT AND REAR BUMPERS
MR RPM OIL FILTER ADAPTER

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2017, 03:11:36 PM »
has anyone seen a secondart for cf moto that has rollers inssten of the plastc slider, my son replacewd his maverick secondary with new clutch assm that had roller bearing i belive it was from sms clutchs, not sure of the brand, my helix slides or no longrer round they have also flated out, will replace them this weekend, this is in 900 miles thanks
No but I can tell you if I ever find one..I'll buy it! Under load the friction level is too high on these and hurts back-shift...and some up-shift. On another note, sense I now filter the incoming air, my sliders have all but stopped wearing. Now if they would just SLIDE...lol
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline autorvshop

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2017, 05:22:46 PM »
when my son comes in tomarow ill find out which company he boulght his clutch from, thank for the idea for the clean air to the clutchs, are you also blowing air in, also he also has a maverick so a clutch for the z800 might not be made and I realy don't want to go to a wet clutch delete clutch I have had to much good luck with the wet clutch, only wear is the helix slides, thanks a bunch nmk
2015 Z800 EX
IRON BALISTIC SKID PLATES
4600 LB WINCH  HOMEMADE BACKBONES
SUPER ATV FULL TILT WINDSHIELD
DUAL BATTERYS   CUSTOM AIR FILTER RELOCATION
42 IN LIGHT BAR, PLUS 4IN SPOTS
TWO BROTHERS EXHAUST
TWIN AIR FILTER
HOME MADE DOORS
TUSK INSIDE ROOF PACK
DOUGLAS MOAPA RUN FLAT TIRES 28  10 FT 12 REAR DOUGLAS STEALTH 8 IN WHEELS FRT, 10 IN WHEELS REAR
QUICK DISCONNECT FIRE EXT
RACKBOSS RACK AND PINION WITH UPGRADED TIRE RODS AND ENDS
EJK TUNER
PRO ARMOR 5 POINT BELTS
18 GRAM SELF MODIFIED DR. PULLEY SLIDERS
SECONDARY CLOCKED TO C2
RIVAL FRT AND REAR BUMPERS
MR RPM OIL FILTER ADAPTER

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2017, 05:42:26 PM »
when my son comes in tomarow ill find out which company he boulght his clutch from, thank for the idea for the clean air to the clutchs, are you also blowing air in, also he also has a maverick so a clutch for the z800 might not be made and I realy don't want to go to a wet clutch delete clutch I have had to much good luck with the wet clutch, only wear is the helix slides, thanks a bunch nmk
No extra air for me yet but If ever it slows down enough to heat up on a week's ride I'll think about it. For now I am using a good sized double-cone pleated micro cotton dry type filter that can be popped-off, washed with water, tapped or blown with air and slapped back on. I was oiling it..but it collected everything and I was worried it wouldn't last long enough. Dry it gets all the stuff that causes the most wear so..that's OK.
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

My Videos On YouTube

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Offline autorvshop

Re: Helix shoe sliders
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2017, 07:26:22 AM »
clutch system was smt system, his clutch has 2 step helix and cut with fin to cool and pull air in and out with rollers allso built for can am im going to call this morning to see if they are building or will build a clutch for the z800
2015 Z800 EX
IRON BALISTIC SKID PLATES
4600 LB WINCH  HOMEMADE BACKBONES
SUPER ATV FULL TILT WINDSHIELD
DUAL BATTERYS   CUSTOM AIR FILTER RELOCATION
42 IN LIGHT BAR, PLUS 4IN SPOTS
TWO BROTHERS EXHAUST
TWIN AIR FILTER
HOME MADE DOORS
TUSK INSIDE ROOF PACK
DOUGLAS MOAPA RUN FLAT TIRES 28  10 FT 12 REAR DOUGLAS STEALTH 8 IN WHEELS FRT, 10 IN WHEELS REAR
QUICK DISCONNECT FIRE EXT
RACKBOSS RACK AND PINION WITH UPGRADED TIRE RODS AND ENDS
EJK TUNER
PRO ARMOR 5 POINT BELTS
18 GRAM SELF MODIFIED DR. PULLEY SLIDERS
SECONDARY CLOCKED TO C2
RIVAL FRT AND REAR BUMPERS
MR RPM OIL FILTER ADAPTER