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Offline DCM

First service
« on: February 05, 2016, 09:43:32 AM »
OK gang it's time for my first oil/diff change after break in.  I've read the posts and looks like Shell Rotella 15w/40 would be a good fit for my area and machine.  Question is can I use that in the diffs as well or do I need to run something heavier?  Service manual says 15w/40 SG or 80w/90 GL. 
Let me hear your opinions.

BTW I ordered a UNI air filter as well and will get that installed next week once it gets here.

Thanks
2015 Zforce 800EX
Half windshield/Full windshield
Boss MC900b Bluetooth Amp
Kicker 6.5" speakers in PVC enclosures
DIY LED whip antenna
Pro Armor 4-point harnesses
24" LED light on roof
26" GBC Dirt Commanders
Custom built doors
EJK and 2 Brothers in the mail

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: First service
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 09:55:37 AM »
OK gang it's time for my first oil/diff change after break in.  I've read the posts and looks like Shell Rotella 15w/40 would be a good fit for my area and machine.  Question is can I use that in the diffs as well or do I need to run something heavier?  Service manual says 15w/40 SG or 80w/90 GL. 
Let me hear your opinions.

BTW I ordered a UNI air filter as well and will get that installed next week once it gets here.

Thanks

Does say you can use either but I Used the gear lube...80/90W in both. I went with synthetic on it. If it's cold enough, I might use the 15/40 in both. I might go to like a 20/50 synthetic next time just to split the difference.

« Last Edit: February 05, 2016, 01:45:34 PM by NMKawierider »
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

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emersonsc

Re: First service
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2016, 11:36:34 AM »
OK gang it's time for my first oil/diff change after break in.  I've read the posts and looks like Shell Rotella 15w/40 would be a good fit for my area and machine.  Question is can I use that in the diffs as well or do I need to run something heavier?  Service manual says 15w/40 SG or 80w/90 GL. 
Let me hear your opinions.

BTW I ordered a UNI air filter as well and will get that installed next week once it gets here.

Thanks

I run 80w90 in mine during the winter with no issue.

I HIGHLY recommend using a hypoid gear lube.

the 15w40 is a great choice. It offers the best protection for these motors, especially since the internal bearings used arent the best.

If you can, go with the TwinAir + The Prefilter vs the Uni. I have had  much better luck in my personal one. The uni seem to get dirtier quick and requires more frequent services & cleanings.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2016, 11:38:10 AM by emersonsc »

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Offline NL800

Re: First service
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 01:21:26 PM »
OK gang it's time for my first oil/diff change after break in.  I've read the posts and looks like Shell Rotella 15w/40 would be a good fit for my area and machine.  Question is can I use that in the diffs as well or do I need to run something heavier?  Service manual says 15w/40 SG or 80w/90 GL. 
Let me hear your opinions.

BTW I ordered a UNI air filter as well and will get that installed next week once it gets here.

Thanks

I run 80w90 in mine during the winter with no issue.

I HIGHLY recommend using a hypoid gear lube.

the 15w40 is a great choice. It offers the best protection for these motors, especially since the internal bearings used arent the best.

If you can, go with the TwinAir + The Prefilter vs the Uni. I have had  much better luck in my personal one. The uni seem to get dirtier quick and requires more frequent services & cleanings.


Emersonsc what is the best air filter to use on a 2014 Terralander 800 (cforce 800) and do they come preoiled?
2014 Terralander 800 EPS
Elka Shocks
CFMOTO Windshield
Front and rear cargo boxes
Garmin eTrex 20 GPS
Wasp Action Camera
Rear Winch

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emersonsc

Re: First service
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 03:24:35 PM »
OK gang it's time for my first oil/diff change after break in.  I've read the posts and looks like Shell Rotella 15w/40 would be a good fit for my area and machine.  Question is can I use that in the diffs as well or do I need to run something heavier?  Service manual says 15w/40 SG or 80w/90 GL. 
Let me hear your opinions.

BTW I ordered a UNI air filter as well and will get that installed next week once it gets here.

Thanks

I run 80w90 in mine during the winter with no issue.

I HIGHLY recommend using a hypoid gear lube.

the 15w40 is a great choice. It offers the best protection for these motors, especially since the internal bearings used arent the best.

If you can, go with the TwinAir + The Prefilter vs the Uni. I have had  much better luck in my personal one. The uni seem to get dirtier quick and requires more frequent services & cleanings.


Emersonsc what is the best air filter to use on a 2014 Terralander 800 (cforce 800) and do they come preoiled?

Twin-Air Filter 156052FR and the prefilter is  Twin-Air 156052DC. The air filter does not need to be oiled, but i recommend oiling the pre-filter.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: First service
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 03:49:18 PM »
Twin-Air Filter 156052FR and the prefilter is  Twin-Air 156052DC. The air filter does not need to be oiled, but i recommend oiling the pre-filter.

Oh..I am going to have to see that in writing as I know of no foam filter that doesn't require foam filter oil.
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

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Offline NL800

Re: First service
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 04:05:36 PM »
OK gang it's time for my first oil/diff change after break in.  I've read the posts and looks like Shell Rotella 15w/40 would be a good fit for my area and machine.  Question is can I use that in the diffs as well or do I need to run something heavier?  Service manual says 15w/40 SG or 80w/90 GL. 
Let me hear your opinions.

BTW I ordered a UNI air filter as well and will get that installed next week once it gets here.

Thanks

I run 80w90 in mine during the winter with no issue.

I HIGHLY recommend using a hypoid gear lube.

the 15w40 is a great choice. It offers the best protection for these motors, especially since the internal bearings used arent the best.

If you can, go with the TwinAir + The Prefilter vs the Uni. I have had  much better luck in my personal one. The uni seem to get dirtier quick and requires more frequent services & cleanings.


Emersonsc what is the best air filter to use on a 2014 Terralander 800 (cforce 800) and do they come preoiled?

Twin-Air Filter 156052FR and the prefilter is  Twin-Air 156052DC. The air filter does not need to be oiled, but i recommend oiling the pre-filter.

Thanks
2014 Terralander 800 EPS
Elka Shocks
CFMOTO Windshield
Front and rear cargo boxes
Garmin eTrex 20 GPS
Wasp Action Camera
Rear Winch

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: First service
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2016, 07:26:32 AM »
Just for general information, I asked TwinAir about the 156052FR filter not needing oiled. This was their response:



Without the oil or resin coating the walls of open-celled foam filters, they have no way of trapping particles.
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

My Videos On YouTube

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emersonsc

Re: First service
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2016, 08:40:08 AM »
Twin-Air Filter 156052FR and the prefilter is  Twin-Air 156052DC. The air filter does not need to be oiled, but i recommend oiling the pre-filter.

Oh..I am going to have to see that in writing as I know of no foam filter that doesn't require foam filter oil.

Have run mine that way for 500 miles...not a grain of sand in the intake. And you know the problems I had with my first engine...

I dont oil the filter because I oil the Pre-filter. Its not a nylon sock like the others. Twin-Airs pre-filter is also foam, which gives it a 3rd layer of foam. Coating the second layer of foam just to put on a 3rd layer of foam with oil is unnecessary and would cause air flow issues.

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Offline bezerk1

Re: First service
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2016, 08:50:07 AM »
Be careful here.  All foam filters need to be oiled.  Do not run a Twin Air or a Uni without oil. 

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Offline DCM

Re: First service
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2016, 08:57:08 AM »
First service successful and went fairly easy I must say.  Dropped the skid plate for easier access, made up a new funnel tube to make the fill easier.  Checked the air box and filter and not a drop of dirt to be seen, although not a lot of dry weather riding yet and not a lot of miles on the machine yet either.  Will keep an eye on it for a while.
Next task will be to pull the bike apart to install the harnesses and fab up the doors.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys.
2015 Zforce 800EX
Half windshield/Full windshield
Boss MC900b Bluetooth Amp
Kicker 6.5" speakers in PVC enclosures
DIY LED whip antenna
Pro Armor 4-point harnesses
24" LED light on roof
26" GBC Dirt Commanders
Custom built doors
EJK and 2 Brothers in the mail

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emersonsc

Re: First service
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2016, 09:08:29 AM »
Be careful here.  All foam filters need to be oiled.  Do not run a Twin Air or a Uni without oil.

again... it IS oiled. The pre-filter is a 3rd decently thick layer of foam that slides over the standard air filter. Its oiled, just not on the 2nd layer...

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: First service
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2016, 02:13:56 PM »
My intent was to only point-out that per TwinAir, this particular filter does not come pre-oiled and it will have to be done prior to installation. I have one too and it also did come dry at purchase. I just didn't want anyone to buy one, throw it on dry and have a problem because of a miss-interpretation . Sorry for the confusion folks...and sorry emersonsc for any problem it caused.

« Last Edit: February 08, 2016, 02:16:48 PM by NMKawierider »
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Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Flip Windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | 9.7" GPS | Bandit Springs Rear & Gen-3 Shocks Front

My Videos On YouTube

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emersonsc

Re: First service
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2016, 09:57:51 PM »
My intent was to only point-out that per TwinAir, this particular filter does not come pre-oiled and it will have to be done prior to installation. I have one too and it also did come dry at purchase. I just didn't want anyone to buy one, throw it on dry and have a problem because of a miss-interpretation . Sorry for the confusion folks...and sorry emersonsc for any problem it caused.

Correct, they do come dry, and DO need to be oiled... unless you run with their prefilter... which is a 3rd layer of foam that gets oiled instead.

I mean to each his own, but to oil the filter and then oil the pre-filter seems a bit overkill and restrictive which defeats the purpose of a better flowing air filter.

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Offline gfmoto

Re: First service
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2016, 02:26:11 PM »
I looked online at twin air and uni's websites and neither are showing any filters for the Z800? NMK you have a link? and in your opinion, which is the one to go with?
2015 ZForce 800EX
32" light bar
2-4" spots
Custom Cv guards
DIY 1/2 windshield
UNI air filter
DIY rear window
BOSS ATV 28. 450W speakers
Alpena Rock Lights (tough pods)
2" RZR Bracket lift
Roof extensions
27" Maxxis Corranado Tires
Alpena RGB rock lights
SuperATV Rocksliders
1/2 Doors w/custom paint and graphics