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Offline locknload

clutching
« on: May 08, 2017, 08:05:26 AM »
Has anyone tried the 25gram dr. Pulley sliders with secondary in b2 position on their 800s? I tried 24 gram by its into rev limit at 46mph. What im trying to do is find a set of weights to swap out when I go to the higher altitudes to ride, 6500 +. I like the way my machine works at home in the b2 so I would like to keep it there.
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutching
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2017, 08:29:01 AM »
Man that's really odd. I have been using the 22 gram sliders all along with C1,B2 and A2. I ride between 5400 and 12,000 feet and although for some reason on A2 I can't seem to get to my rev limiter I still hit 64mph at 5400 feet and on C1 and B2 did hit the limiter at 68mph. Yours at only 46mph on B2 with 24 gram sliders makes me think something else might be wrong.
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Offline chuddly

Re: clutching
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2017, 09:19:14 AM »
You flopped a weight putting them back in.  Thats why you are only hitting that speed.  When you go to install that part of the sheave you have to maintain pressure on the cam plate the ENTIRE time until the nut is tights.  I promise you if you take it off there you will find the flopped weight.
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Offline locknload

Re: clutching
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2017, 11:03:46 AM »
No flopped weight, keep in mind guys im testing at 1600'.  First tried 23gram and hit limiter at 44mph, then put in 24 gram and maybe increased to about 46mph. So yesterday I put the stock rollers back in and 69mph and no limiter. My thought is not enough weight to shift out secondary. I have always clutched my snowmobiles so I would only have to change primary weight for altitude change and thats what im trying to do here with china.
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Offline chuddly

Re: clutching
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2017, 11:47:55 AM »
Flopped a weight.  You can say you didnt but to go from 69 to 46...YOU FLOPPED A WEIGHT.  I am running 25 gram OD weights and i run about the same speeds you do.  changing the weight of the weights doesnt make a whole lot of difference.  It changes the shift out point and a little MAYBE on the top end.  like 1-2 MPH at most.  You flopped a weight.  Dont be ashamed of it.  Most everyone has done it who runs OD weights.
I can imagine a world completely at peace.  A world where there are no weapons, no war, and no violence at all.  And I can imagine us taking over that world because they would never expect it.

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: clutching
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2017, 12:37:49 PM »
I would have to agree that something else is wrong. MAybe you put them all in the same way but not the correct way, the way they go in it would be easy to install them the wrong way. you want the short flat spot touching the plate facing outside of the clutch. I am running 23g on B2 with 29's I haven't done a full out top speed run but have had it up to 56mph GPS and not hit the limiter. I'm under 1k feet

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Offline locknload

Re: clutching
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2017, 12:44:35 PM »
I will double check how I had them installed tonight, if I remember correctly there are a couple of grooves and they would have been on top and to the outside of the clutch as your looking down at it.
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Offline chuddly

Re: clutching
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2017, 01:01:09 PM »
The sliders should be installed with the tall back facing the center of the sheave like this picture - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F41gu2fZejI/TzOwDX_cSQI/AAAAAAAAEl0/SIDRiqlQx3s/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/dr+pulley+2517+21g.jpg .

When you put the cam plate on it HOLD firm pressure the ENTIRE TIME until you have the nut run all the way down.  It if VERY VERY easy to let off just a little and have one of the rollers flop over.  If just 1 roller flops over it will cause exactly what you are saying to happen.  The best way i have found to do this after having OD weights on machines for years is to have everything all set up and grab the sheave face with your fingers and hold the cam plate with your thumb and DO NOT LET GO OR READJUST YOUR HAND AT ALL.  If you hold it this way with firm pressure and dont move or readjust your grip the weights wont flop.
I can imagine a world completely at peace.  A world where there are no weapons, no war, and no violence at all.  And I can imagine us taking over that world because they would never expect it.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutching
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2017, 04:18:42 PM »
Something's off somewhere. Just to toss in the mix, the way it is acting with the drastic difference in weights is also a sign of either a binding secondary or...could it be possible... that you have clocked it to B3 or even B4 by mistake?

Anyway..I might be willing to buy your 24 gram sliders from you if you want to sell them. I like A2 up here but I think I want to increase the primary force just a little..but not all the back to 25 gram...and not back to B2 on the secondary.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2017, 04:23:22 PM by NMKawierider »
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Offline REDRIDER

Re: clutching
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2017, 07:02:58 PM »
I wish the sliders weren't so expensive... i'd have 22s 23s 24s and 25s and play around with it a lot more

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Offline Cosmosdan

Re: clutching
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 09:38:06 PM »
Regular rollers are a bit cheaper if you just want to try something.

Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/281491843104
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Offline locknload

Re: clutching
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2017, 08:50:19 AM »
Well all is good, had a chance to put the weights in CORRECTLY this weekend haha... and China works good. I appreciate all your guys input.
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: clutching
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2017, 08:53:17 AM »
Well all is good, had a chance to put the weights in CORRECTLY this weekend haha... and China works good. I appreciate all your guys input.
Good deal.
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Offline chuddly

Re: clutching
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2017, 09:52:15 AM »
Glad to hear it bud!  I wasnt trying to be a jerk about it and I know that typing messages can come across that way.  I have just seen the weights be put in wrong or flop over A WHOLE LOT of times.  They can even do it if you are going fast and HAMMER the brakes hard because the cam plate comes off the sliders just enough that they can turn over in there.  Im just glad you got it all sorted out.  Sorry again if I seemed like I was being prickly.  Post up if you have any other questions.
I can imagine a world completely at peace.  A world where there are no weapons, no war, and no violence at all.  And I can imagine us taking over that world because they would never expect it.

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Offline REDRIDER

Re: clutching
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2017, 10:49:05 AM »
awesome, glad you got it sorted out. I had to take a couple looks when I was installing to make sure I was doing it right, very easy to put them in wrong.