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Offline NMLeeS

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2021, 08:31:51 PM »
I was able To put an order in with eBay vendor Androidextend.  Pretty sure he’s in Taiwan.  He claims to ship fedex as opposed to economy international shipping.  He says 5 to 30’days for delivery LOL.  We’ll see what happens.  He has 100% positive feedback though.  On a humorous note, I asked my local CF MOTO dealer the cost to Reclock the clutch, they said “what’s that?” .  So I told them and they said maybe $300 once they research it, maybe less.  I told them never mind, I’ll do it myself.

Smart move.  I found I had to make a couple tools for the job.  One holds the primary and secondary still while I loosen the nuts.  The other is to compress the spring on the clutch for disassembly.  Couldn't find a pic of my spring compressor tool. 

Dr. Pulley is based out of Taiwan.  Wonder if you purchased directly from them?

Do the square pins just slip between the ribs on the secondary?  How about the pins on the primary side?  Do they go into the holes, what’s the diameter?  I’m going to grab some bar and rod tomorrow. 

I use a similar setup for pulling trailing arm Bearings on my track car that I can modify for the compression tool. 

Thanks for the pictures!

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Offline Sockman

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2021, 09:24:27 AM »
Do the square pins just slip between the ribs on the secondary?  How about the pins on the primary side?  Do they go into the holes, what’s the diameter?  I’m going to grab some bar and rod tomorrow. 

I use a similar setup for pulling trailing arm Bearings on my track car that I can modify for the compression tool. 

Thanks for the pictures!

Yes the square lugs go inside the ribs of the secondary.  And the pins go in two of the holes on the outside of the primary, and I don't recall the diameter of the pins (3/16"???). 

I don't have the tool handy, but I can grab it tonight and take some measurements if you need.  I can also take a couple pics of the spring compressor tool, but it's a simple concept.  Some threaded rod, weld a nut on one end and then you'll need something U-shaped for the other end with a nut to compress the spring, and still allow you to get the little retainer out of there.  The videos posted in the how-to section are excellent, which is what I followed to re-clock mine. 

Here's a couple more pics that might help. 
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Offline NMLeeS

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2021, 10:43:23 AM »
Do the square pins just slip between the ribs on the secondary?  How about the pins on the primary side?  Do they go into the holes, what’s the diameter?  I’m going to grab some bar and rod tomorrow. 

I use a similar setup for pulling trailing arm Bearings on my track car that I can modify for the compression tool. 

Thanks for the pictures!

Yes the square lugs go inside the ribs of the secondary.  And the pins go in two of the holes on the outside of the primary, and I don't recall the diameter of the pins (3/16"???). 

I don't have the tool handy, but I can grab it tonight and take some measurements if you need.  I can also take a couple pics of the spring compressor tool, but it's a simple concept.  Some threaded rod, weld a nut on one end and then you'll need something U-shaped for the other end with a nut to compress the spring, and still allow you to get the little retainer out of there.  The videos posted in the how-to section are excellent, which is what I followed to re-clock mine. 

Here's a couple more pics that might help.

Thanks sockman,  good pictures.  The pressing tool is the easy part.  The videos show how it functions really well and it will be easy to put one together I think.  I’ll just go 3/16 on the pins and turn them down if needed.  Are both bolts torqued to 85lb?

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2021, 11:36:18 AM »
Do the square pins just slip between the ribs on the secondary?  How about the pins on the primary side?  Do they go into the holes, what’s the diameter?  I’m going to grab some bar and rod tomorrow. 

I use a similar setup for pulling trailing arm Bearings on my track car that I can modify for the compression tool. 

Thanks for the pictures!

Yes the square lugs go inside the ribs of the secondary.  And the pins go in two of the holes on the outside of the primary, and I don't recall the diameter of the pins (3/16"???). 

I don't have the tool handy, but I can grab it tonight and take some measurements if you need.  I can also take a couple pics of the spring compressor tool, but it's a simple concept.  Some threaded rod, weld a nut on one end and then you'll need something U-shaped for the other end with a nut to compress the spring, and still allow you to get the little retainer out of there.  The videos posted in the how-to section are excellent, which is what I followed to re-clock mine. 

Here's a couple more pics that might help.

Thanks sockman,  good pictures.  The pressing tool is the easy part.  The videos show how it functions really well and it will be easy to put one together I think.  I’ll just go 3/16 on the pins and turn them down if needed.  Are both bolts torqued to 85lb?
Both are the same...and 85 sounds right.
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Offline Sockman

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2021, 11:37:01 AM »
Yeah, the service manual calls for 115 NM, which is about 85 ft lbs.
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Offline glenlivet

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2021, 03:40:22 PM »
Good looking tool, I'll have to copy it. :) My sliders are coming from Androidextend too, FedEx.
 
I'll have to go back to Lizzy n Charlies again. If the Frigging border ever opens again!
Did an old Marysvale couple in a van cruise the parking lot and offer to sell made to order bread and cinnamon buns? Did last time we were there. Damned good baking, too. :)
Lizzy n Charlies is where I made the first 'pizza box' intake plenum diverter, the pizza place the box was sourced from was up front by Lizzy n Charlies office. Good pizza. Small world.
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Offline NMLeeS

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2021, 06:59:45 PM »
Good looking tool, I'll have to copy it. :) My sliders are coming from Androidextend too, FedEx.
 
I'll have to go back to Lizzy n Charlies again. If the Frigging border ever opens again!
Did an old Marysvale couple in a van cruise the parking lot and offer to sell made to order bread and cinnamon buns? Did last time we were there. Damned good baking, too. :)
Lizzy n Charlies is where I made the first 'pizza box' intake plenum diverter, the pizza place the box was sourced from was up front by Lizzy n Charlies office. Good pizza. Small world.
No kidding small world.  That pizza place is awesome.  But no couppe selling baked goods.  Apparently your slow boat is hauling ass.  My sliders already arrived in anchorage Alaska and due delivery Monday.  I’ll assume yours are slightly ahead of mine if he used fedex for you as well.

Got my clutches out.  The primary was tight as heck, but the secondary zipped off easy with my dewalt cordless impact.  Still have to make the compressing tool and secondary clutch tool holding tool to reinstall.  Should have it done and buttoned up Saturday.
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Offline glenlivet

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2021, 07:32:44 PM »
The sliders arrived today, and that's astonishing because I only completed the order by upgrading to Fedex shipping 2 days ago. When I ordered the sliders the ad didn't mention that standard economy shipping was not available due to covid and if I wanted to continue the order I could upgrade to Fedex.
2 frigging days.
I've had pizza take longer. :)
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Offline NMLeeS

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2021, 03:45:14 PM »
The sliders arrived today, and that's astonishing because I only completed the order by upgrading to Fedex shipping 2 days ago. When I ordered the sliders the ad didn't mention that standard economy shipping was not available due to covid and if I wanted to continue the order I could upgrade to Fedex.
2 frigging days.
I've had pizza take longer. :)
I got mine today as well!  3 days earlier than the fedex scheduled delivery.  Now, how are they to be oriented in the clutch?  Anybody have a picture?

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2021, 04:14:08 PM »
Should be a picture with them but just in case, there aren't CFM's but you get the idea-



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Offline NMLeeS

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2021, 04:32:31 PM »
Should be a picture with them but just in case, there aren't CFM's but you get the idea-


Ok like so according th the picture that was underneath them....plus they fit the contour of the clutch and it is not contradicted by the video.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2021, 04:34:34 PM »
That's it.
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Offline NMLeeS

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2021, 06:49:11 PM »
That's it.
Ok, I marked the B1 shoe and ramp before I pulled it apart.  It looks like on B2 the ramp is going to be 1 shoe off of where B1 was, is this correct?

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2021, 07:02:21 PM »
That's it.
Ok, I marked the B1 shoe and ramp before I pulled it apart.  It looks like on B2 the ramp is going to be 1 shoe off of where B1 was, is this correct?
Your thinking about it differently then it should be. Looking down on it, you will twist the spring different amounts to set the helix ramp on the pad. Think of it as preloading the spring. The more degrees it is from zero..or its static position the more preload it will have. As you compress it and it gets close you will twist the spring in the direction it takes to make the spring smaller...like the video, to the left or counterclockwise to set the helix ramp on the pad. If you leave out the key you can spin the bottom part to align the keyway slots after compression. I find that easier. This is a little degree wheel I put together with the different clocking positions that might help in visualizing it.




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Offline NMLeeS

Re: Clocking question
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2021, 07:10:00 PM »
That's it.
Ok, I marked the B1 shoe and ramp before I pulled it apart.  It looks like on B2 the ramp is going to be 1 shoe off of where B1 was, is this correct?
Your thinking about it differently then it should be. Looking down on it, you will twist the spring different amounts to set the helix ramp on the pad. Think of it as preloading the spring. The more degrees it is from zero..or its static position the more preload it will have. As you compress it and it gets close you will twist the spring in the direction it takes to make the spring smaller...like the video, to the left or counterclockwise to set the helix ramp on the pad. If you leave out the key you can spin the bottom part to align the keyway slots after compression. I find that easier. This is a little degree wheel I put together with the different clocking positions that might help in visualizing it.




Ok, so it is correct that the ramp won%u2019t necessarily be on the same shoe as the other setting.  I had more preload running the ramp to the first available shoe on the B2 setting then I did in the B1.  That was my sanity check.  All of the videos I%u2019ve watched they rotated the clutch to the first available ramp.  Sound like your experience NMK?
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