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Offline NMKawierider

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2023, 08:07:51 AM »
On units with wet clutches it hard on the clutch shaft inner bearing to run it with the belt installed and without the cover as it has the outer support bearing. Doing so pulls against the races and changes the alignment between the wet clutch shoes and bell as well as the oneway clutch...causing contact and possible damage to them as well. Rule #1, don't run it with the belt installed without the cover installed. With that said, install the cover and see if the noise stops. If so, you have your answer. If not then its likely the primary clutch shaft's bearing has enough play to have a problem with the wet clutch or..the wet clutch itself has a problem like a spring is off. This all assumes you assembled and properly torqued the clutches as per the manual.
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Offline maddvector

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2023, 09:05:39 AM »
NMKawierider,

I appreciate your quick replies and all of your help!

It has a ticking noise that comes from the clutch area. It was making this noise even when I had the outer cover on the primary & secondary clutches before I changed the belt.
It doesn't make this noise with the clutches removed...

I've ridden in other side by side's mainly Can Am Mavericks & this ticking noise isn't normal.

I'm trying to decide if the noise is coming from the wet clutch bearing or wet clutch.

The secondary clutch is clocked at B-1 so I don't think the previous owner took the secondary clutch apart but I am fairly sure they removed the secondary clutch due to the new grease that was on the shaft when I removed it and the primary was removed due to the cross threaded nut...

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2023, 12:55:55 PM »
Can you make a sound clip with your phone and post it? It may be that the fins on the primary are touching the air deflector on the back side. Pull it and look for any marks on it and the fins.
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Offline bobinmurphy

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2023, 01:36:39 PM »
Will this tool hold the clutches while I am torque them to specs?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VHYCT8H/?coliid=I1XWLIEB8L77H4&colid=1OI81NS39KR0G&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Any other suggestions will be appreciated!
It goes to 7.5" so it should be fine. 5.9" is the minimum as I recall.

The Amazon description says it fits sprocket holes larger than 1/2" or 12mm.  Aren't the sprocket holes on the CFMoto 6 or 8mm?  The price is certainly attractive given that the CFMoto tool lists for about $170 though.
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2023, 01:46:30 PM »
Will this tool hold the clutches while I am torque them to specs?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VHYCT8H/?coliid=I1XWLIEB8L77H4&colid=1OI81NS39KR0G&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Any other suggestions will be appreciated!
It goes to 7.5" so it should be fine. 5.9" is the minimum as I recall.

The Amazon description says it fits sprocket holes larger than 1/2" or 12mm.  Aren't the sprocket holes on the CFMoto 6 or 8mm?  The price is certainly attractive given that the CFMoto tool lists for about $170 though.
Although it won't matter for the secondary it will for the primary. Might have to cut/grind them down some. Better to get one with changeable pins I guess.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2023, 06:54:58 PM by NMKawierider »
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Offline maddvector

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2023, 06:30:56 PM »
I will put it back together tomorrow and make a clip.

The sprocket holder from Amazon works great!

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Offline maddvector

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2023, 01:41:08 PM »
Noise without primary & secondary drives installed:
https://youtube.com/shorts/WHjFtlIfcnk?feature=share

Noise primary & secondary drives installed:
https://youtube.com/shorts/UKW_huEEm6M

I'm thinking / hoping it is the wet clutch & bearing...

What is your opinion?

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2023, 03:17:27 PM »
You can see the tip of the shaft moving with the clutches in place so...there is something going on inside the wet clutch area. The bearing for sure has some play now but I think there is more to this. Off comes that cover...lol
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Offline maddvector

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2023, 03:45:04 PM »
I was hoping you were going to say that!

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Offline maddvector

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2023, 07:55:58 PM »
The service manual is lacking...

I found out the messy way that you must drain the antifreeze and the oil before you remove the CVT Cover.

1st Issue- the "one way clutch" bearing is bad. I can shake it in CVT Cover.
2nd Issue- the left handed clutch nut is stripped and it will not come off the shaft.

Any suggestion from anyone who has dealt with this issue.
How do I remove the one way clutch from the CVT Cover on a 2020 Zforce Trail 800?

I'm leaning toward using my Dremel to carefully cut the nut top and bottom to remove it.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2023, 08:31:27 PM »
The service manual is lacking...

I found out the messy way that you must drain the antifreeze and the oil before you remove the CVT Cover.

1st Issue- the "one way clutch" bearing is bad. I can shake it in CVT Cover.
2nd Issue- the left handed clutch nut is stripped and it will not come off the shaft.

Any suggestion from anyone who has dealt with this issue.
How do I remove the one way clutch from the CVT Cover on a 2020 Zforce Trail 800?

I'm leaning toward using my Dremel to carefully cut the nut top and bottom to remove it.
Ok lets get our terminology on the same page first. To my knowledge, the CVT cover is what covers the clutches..which is what makes up the Continuously Variable Transmission. The one-way clutch is not in that CVT cover. It is behind the inner cover and placed inside the bell for the outer race and the noise of the wet clutch as the inner race. It should just slide straight out but because the shaft has been riding on an angle it may have a grove cut in which may make it hard to get out. No matter the shaft and bell and the oneway are destroyed and mist be replaced as well as both shaft bearings so toss all that

On the left-handed nut, I assume this is the one that retains the wet clutch to the crank shaft. If both the nut and the crank are stripped...and I hate to say it but..you are SOL.. I know of no way to repair that well enough to hold the torque needed to secure the wet clutch. And if its been running loose it's probably done significant damage to the splines already. Shoot some pics and post them so we all can chime-in on this. There is always the possibility that it's just the nut that's lost it's threads and not the hardened steel of the crank. Yes, split /cut the nut off or maybe some slight tapping and turning with a slide hammer can help get it started and back out and revel good crankshaft threads and it just needs a new nut. Do check for other damages and extra play in the splines though. 

If the wet clutch shoes and drum/bell look anything like this guy's you will want to replace them anyway:


« Last Edit: September 29, 2023, 09:02:55 PM by NMKawierider »
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Offline maddvector

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2023, 04:28:51 PM »
Does anyone know the size and threads of the nut that holds the wet clutch on the crankshaft?
It is LH Thread T2 in the picture.
A CFmoto part number would help. I can't find this info anywhere...


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Offline NMKawierider

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2023, 05:24:47 PM »
Just go to any CFM parts house and look up your machine. It's in the Crankshaft parts breakdown.

« Last Edit: September 30, 2023, 05:26:50 PM by NMKawierider »
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Offline maddvector

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2023, 05:57:08 PM »
Thanks!

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Offline maddvector

Re: 2017 Z800 trail Drive belt
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2023, 12:55:39 PM »
One more for you NMKawierider!

The part number for the bearing on the Wet Clutch Housing?