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Offline Chris1212

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2020, 08:16:32 PM »
Thanks, I think I may have an affected machine.

I had an issues the other day going from park to high, when the shifter was in the detent I went to apply throttle and got major grind.

I also noticed my machine can be shifted through all positions without having to press the button on the side of the shifter.

Does this sound like a similar issue to what you had?


If you can move the handle without pushing the button, it means the shifter lock is not being applied..which usually means the handle is screwed-down too far and is pushing on the release. The detents you feel are the transmission's. Regardless of the shifter lock's condition, if you are in say..H..and you feel or hear that it's in the detent...and it grinds when applying power, your have a transmission issue..usually a bent fork and/or some rounded-off dogs.

Ok so just so I understand, if the shifter is in the detent in high and the gears are grind, would this likely be internal tranny issue or could it be that the shift rod needs adjusting?

I was kind of surprised by the grind when the shifter was in the detent in the correct position, but this isn't something that's happened more than once. Is it possible the shift rod is just on the far side of spec for needing adjustment?
OK, picture this: There are two detents, one in the transmission to set on each selection and one in the shifter mechanism, which when working stops it from accidentally being bumped out of a position. Those two need to be aligned by using the shifter rod so they are in sync. When you push the button, it pushed the plastic rod down and moves the wedge out of the shifter's detent so you can move it. IF that mechanism is not working or is already unlocked, then you only have the transmission's detent to feel where you are. And IF it pops out of gear with no other forces on the shifter other then engine power on the transmission...regardless of what the detent says, it's not completely in gear. Now I say this because it is possible there are one of two other reasons for this. One- the shifter is VERY out of adjustment...so much so that it can't set in it's detent. And Two- these have rubber engine mounts..and it is known that some have had problems with knocking the rubber out of one. If that happens, the engine will move enough under load to push or pull enough on the shifter rod and shifter to pop it out of gear. Check those right away.

I'll check the rubber mounts tomorrow but my suspicion is it needs adjustment between detent #1 and #2.

Vehicles that have had this issue, is it something intermittent or does it typically happen often when shifting between P and H?

Thanks

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Offline Chris1212

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2020, 10:52:34 AM »
In the shop after 15kms for grinding gears. Hope to have it back next week :(

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Offline Hunttux

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2020, 05:16:51 PM »
have an 18 u800, noticed this grind just twice in the week ive had it.  just putting a placeholder here in case i have it again and need to investigate further

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Offline Chris1212

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2020, 12:58:02 PM »
have an 18 u800, noticed this grind just twice in the week ive had it.  just putting a placeholder here in case i have it again and need to investigate further

I would have the dealer investigate. My Z1000 ground the gears twice so I had the dealer take a look and was told it won't be a quick adjustment.

I've only had the machine a couple weeks now and I'm happy this is getting fixed early in ownership, I just hope they don't need the machine at the dealer more than a week..

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Offline Chris1212

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2020, 06:51:33 PM »
UPDATE: It's going in the shop for two weeks or so. Apparently there are three gears that need replacing.

I just hope their aren't any shipping delays because of Corona  :P

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Offline RedZ1K

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2020, 09:07:50 PM »
UPDATE: It's going in the shop for two weeks or so. Apparently there are three gears that need replacing.

I just hope their aren't any shipping delays because of Corona  :P
When my dealer agreed to fix mine, they ordered all the required parts FIRST and then booked it in after they had all arrived.  I was only without it for 2 or 3 days, dropped it off on a Tuesday afternoon before work and picked it up on Thursday or Friday.  They had just previously done the same repair on one or two others, so they knew what to order beforehand which I'm sure helped.  They told me it was fine to drive like that and it wasn't gonna hurt anything else so I just continued to be careful with it until they could get it in.  Too bad yours couldn't do that for you, but I guess now's a good time to be without it before the spring/summer riding season is in full swing.   
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Offline Chris1212

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2020, 09:03:43 AM »
Hey guys, well I got my machne back after a month. Apparently it needed the entire gear set replaced. $2200 job under warranty.

I'm happy with the service however I was disappointed to find out that warranty repairs don't include fluids, so I was surprised that I'd have to pay $125 to piick up my machine that I had less than 15kms on. Do all dealers charge for fluids for warranty work?

Another thing I'm not happy about is the engine still appears to be leaking oil. I asked them when the machine went in to check to make sure the oil leak was checked and fixed, and I got the machine back still leaking. I don't want the machine in for service for an extended period so I'm going to remove the plate under the drain bolt, give everything a cleaning and see if I can figure out the source of the leak myself and correct.

Are there any particular areas of a 2018 zforce 1000 I should be looking at as potential areas for oil leaks?

I love the machine but I'm not having the greatest of experiences so far, but I'm sure issues like this can happen with any brand.

Cheers

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Online NMKawierider

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2020, 09:45:05 AM »
The only thing I can add is that with the 1000s, ever sense they modified the case of the 800s to separate the transmission from the engine, there have been reports...not many..but a few..of either oil leaks on the case split-line close to the internal modification or some fluid transfer between the two..which puts 90W in with motor oil and visa/versa. Like I say..not many..but a few. So look for any leakage or seepage on the case half's union anywhere from mid to close to the transmission's drain plug....which on the 800s was the "main-drain" :)  plug. Also check your motor oil and take a smell. If it ever starts smelling like gear lube...better get it in...again.

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Offline Chris1212

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2020, 06:45:57 PM »
Is this the gasket you were referring to?

Thanks

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Online NMKawierider

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2020, 07:40:05 PM »
Might be...I've never seen one that up close. Sure is a leaky mess isn't it. Most have their issues in this area-either on that center divide or along the bottom.


 
« Last Edit: April 13, 2020, 07:46:54 PM by NMKawierider »
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Offline Chris1212

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2020, 01:10:37 PM »
I just spoke with the dealer and apparently all gaskets were changed when they rebuilt the tranny, so I'm not sure if it was installed correctly or what the case it.

Do you happen to know what the gasket part number is for the split case gasket or where I could find it so I can cross reference with the invoice for the repair?

Thanks for all your help

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Online NMKawierider

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2020, 01:22:09 PM »
I just spoke with the dealer and apparently all gaskets were changed when they rebuilt the tranny, so I'm not sure if it was installed correctly or what the case it.

Do you happen to know what the gasket part number is for the split case gasket or where I could find it so I can cross reference with the invoice for the repair?

Thanks for all your help
Go to Alpha-Sports.com. There you can look it all up.
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Offline Chris1212

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2020, 06:40:37 PM »
I just spoke with the dealer and apparently all gaskets were changed when they rebuilt the tranny, so I'm not sure if it was installed correctly or what the case it.

Do you happen to know what the gasket part number is for the split case gasket or where I could find it so I can cross reference with the invoice for the repair?

Thanks for all your help
Go to Alpha-Sports.com. There you can look it all up.

Thanks, I just looked it up and apparently the dealer changed it. I emailed the dealer and they asked me to degrease and clean the area  to see if it's still leaking. They seem to think it's residual. It looks pretty fresh to me, so we'll see. I guess it's possible the tech spilled some oil while filling it up.

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Offline ctdls

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2020, 07:41:22 AM »
Splitting those case & resealing is a nightmare @ best. Probability of leak is very high unless extra caution is used to insure the gasket's stay in place. That's assuming the surface's are perfectly clean & free of oil & greasy finger prints. New gaskets won't cover up this.

A job like that requires a good cleaning of the unit prior to any work. So if the unit comes in a mess like many do the owner has the option to go back & wash it or the shop should do it & charge the owner. This step is important because after a job like that the unit needs to sit overnight on a clean floor to insure there a re no leaks & a good visual looking for seeping. As well a couple of good heat cycles to encourage anything is not 100% to show up.

Most manufactures try avoid this type of problem, the reason is they know the problems that come after dealers do major repairs such as this. Building it right the first time has been a hard lesson for most manufacture's some learn & some do not. None the less shit happens regardless, then the quality of your service department comes into play.

Your comment about paying for fluids, I've always had a major issue with that. It is called consequential damage, in other words anything that is a result of the original problem is covered by the warranty. The CFMOTO warranty does not cover fluids & many other items, yet they claim the "best" warranty. Other manufactures such as BRP will cover fluids & anything else such as spark plugs & drive belts if the original defect cause the issue.

Best of luck with this, I hope you get it sorted.
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Offline Chris1212

Re: 2018 Z1000 shifting issues
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2020, 10:19:41 AM »
Splitting those case & resealing is a nightmare @ best. Probability of leak is very high unless extra caution is used to insure the gasket's stay in place. That's assuming the surface's are perfectly clean & free of oil & greasy finger prints. New gaskets won't cover up this.

A job like that requires a good cleaning of the unit prior to any work. So if the unit comes in a mess like many do the owner has the option to go back & wash it or the shop should do it & charge the owner. This step is important because after a job like that the unit needs to sit overnight on a clean floor to insure there a re no leaks & a good visual looking for seeping. As well a couple of good heat cycles to encourage anything is not 100% to show up.

Most manufactures try avoid this type of problem, the reason is they know the problems that come after dealers do major repairs such as this. Building it right the first time has been a hard lesson for most manufacture's some learn & some do not. None the less shit happens regardless, then the quality of your service department comes into play.

Your comment about paying for fluids, I've always had a major issue with that. It is called consequential damage, in other words anything that is a result of the original problem is covered by the warranty. The CFMOTO warranty does not cover fluids & many other items, yet they claim the "best" warranty. Other manufactures such as BRP will cover fluids & anything else such as spark plugs & drive belts if the original defect cause the issue.

Best of luck with this, I hope you get it sorted.

Thanks for the info.

The machine has 150kms on it now, when I bought it, it was a demo with 115kms. I noticed after first getting it home the skid plate under drain bolt seemed to be a bit damp, and this, along with the occasional gear grind is why I sent it into the dealer for repair in the first place.

The day I got the machine back, the very first thing I did before the owner of the dealership unloaded my machine from his trailer was notice and point out it seemed to have a drop of fresh oil on the drain bolt. He then thought maybe it was residual and asked me to clean it and check again after informing me the tech that repaired it let it sit for a couple days and didn't notice any drops on the shop floor.

Right after getting it home and crawling underneath I noticed it seemed like more than the drain plug was wet, and I took pics and sent them to the dealer there response was to wash and degrease and let them know. My fear is it is leaking at the gasket, at which case I better not have to pay $125 again for fluids or I'll be ticked, especially if they didn't do the job right the first time after having my machine a month.

I'm hoping to try and get under and give it clean sometime today, however it's stored in a bit of tight space and it's a wee bit too cold to be working in the driveway today.

How would you recommend I proceed with dealing with this? The dealer has been pretty good so far, however I do still feel it's BS that I had to pay for fluids considering it was leaking when I got it and pointed it out to the dealer immediately after taking possession. In fact I remember asking if it had had the oil changed prior to me picking it up because the skid plate below the engine was damp, and the manager of the dealership said he didn't know. I also asked if the PDI would look for leaks and he said he didn't know at first it had been PDI'd again since being used as there demo, before I took possession.

Does Canada have a direct "complaint" line to CFmoto by chance? I don't hope to use it, but things have been a little dicey even before delays with Covid, etc.

Also, for the CFmoto warranty to used, do I have to have  a CF moto dealer do the repair, or could I have a shop of my choosing do the repair, pay for it out of pocket then claim it direct to Cfmoto?

Thanks for any guidance