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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 11:29:29 AM »
Vman, The snorkels are coming through the back wall of the box It took some work to get the air intake all the way across to come out the passenger side. As you know our Z6 have a little different plumbing than the Z8.
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I will do some riding next weekend and let you know how it works out. I would not shorten your stacks quite yet. I may be too short. Instead of covering the middle hole in my bed ( the original air intake) I plumed the CVT exhaust out it. I don't plan to get into deep water, but if I do I'm fully snorkeled.
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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 05:28:33 PM »
Vman, The snorkels are coming through the back wall of the box It took some work to get the air intake all the way across to come out the passenger side. As you know our Z6 have a little different plumbing than the Z8.
NMKawierider,
I will do some riding next weekend and let you know how it works out. I would not shorten your stacks quite yet. I may be too short. Instead of covering the middle hole in my bed ( the original air intake) I plumed the CVT exhaust out it. I don't plan to get into deep water, but if I do I'm fully snorkeled.
Yeah..I was out in the shop making new brackets to shorten them and decided I really should try it well first so..I'll wait until after our next camp out and see.

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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2017, 09:11:40 PM »
Testing......more testing......change something and more testing...... We should work part-time CF Moto...lol
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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2017, 09:57:34 PM »
I enjoy no compromise mods, this is one of the coolest I've seen. I just wonder about the vacuum potential created behind the intakes.....
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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2017, 12:03:08 AM »
I enjoy no compromise mods, this is one of the coolest I've seen. I just wonder about the vacuum potential created behind the intakes.....
Us too. That's why we went with such oversized plumbing and high flow filters suitable for V8 engines. Still... no matter the size it's a matter of time especially on the CVT. Once it starts being restricted, the heat will rise... and that's not good for the belt. I have a temp gauge to warn me and a booster fan if ever needed. We'll see.
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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2017, 09:34:25 AM »
I commented in an earlier thread that I didn't like the looks of the snorkels but you and Colorado did such great looking installations I have changed my thinking. NMK, I was reading back through some of your other posts in regards to CVT temps to see what advantages the snorkels provide and it looks as if the temps were about the same when you were running the filters on the wall of the box and that your biggest improvement with the snorkels is that the oversize filters give you some breathing room between cleanings...pun intended, but I was wondering if you had any readings when the intake was still in the factory position near the engine, I am guessing that the temps had to be much higher sucking in super heated air from around the engine.
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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2017, 10:18:41 AM »
I commented in an earlier thread that I didn't like the looks of the snorkels but you and Colorado did such great looking installations I have changed my thinking. NMK, I was reading back through some of your other posts in regards to CVT temps to see what advantages the snorkels provide and it looks as if the temps were about the same when you were running the filters on the wall of the box and that your biggest improvement with the snorkels is that the oversize filters give you some breathing room between cleanings...pun intended, but I was wondering if you had any readings when the intake was still in the factory position near the engine, I am guessing that the temps had to be much higher sucking in super heated air from around the engine.
Well, on the Z8s, the stock intake for the CVT is behind the driver's seat in the cab and sealed-off from the engine air- so heat wasn't really an issue...I think..only because I installed the temp gauge after I ported the intake to the bed and added the filter. For me at the time was all the crap that was being pumped through the CVT building up in slider tracks, wearing all that down and wearing down the helix parts on the secondary. I started with that surface filter and that did help but I was surprised how fast it filled up ...even being in the cab. I saw racers using a large pleated filter on theirs so..of course I had to try. It was nice to open the CVT and find just a whisper of just belt dust otherwise clean as a whistle and no extra wear but...low in the bed wasn't the best place...at least out here. I could get about 30 miles of dusty roads before the temp would start climbing.. and my son who rode it in low range a lot with me in front got all of 10 miles so...that's no good. I either had to do away with the filter and just except that I will be buying clutches and parts soon or try something else. I laid a strip duct tape upside down from the back sloop of the roof to the bottom of the bed and took it fro a run. I waned to see if the dust would adhere to the sticky and If I could gauge the dust intensity going up to see if snorkels would still be an option . It was solid covered from the bed to just above the half way point of where the filters are now. From the top of where I placed the filters and up there was a dramatic decrease in dust to almost none on the back roof sloop. So...that is why I placed the intakes in that upper "zone". I assume it was because of the wind flowing over the top and I also assume when riding with someone in front, that would change. But I usually stay way back where my son didn't so.. I am hopeful this location will give me acceptable time between cleanings. At least it's easy to pop apart in camp and clean if needed. I sure like what I saw in the CVT area and hope I can continue running a filter. Interesting that even with that small mushroom filter on the engine intake with any filter material other then the green-fine material it never caked up enough to change the way the engine ran. But it does show the CVT does pump a lot more volume through it then the engine uses.

The only mod I may make to the engine-side snorkel is I may replace that filter with the cone-shaped TwinAir I already have. Like to find a taller one though. Like having the piece of mind of two- dual stage foam filter on the engine.

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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2017, 01:48:27 PM »
NMK,
I did a bunch of riding this weekend. I found that I still have more dust than desired, so I am going to raise mine up two inches to see if it helps.
What filter do you have in mind to change out the one that comes with our canisters? I too want to add all the protection I can for the engine intake.
Thanks in advance.......
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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2017, 02:31:40 PM »
NMK,
I did a bunch of riding this weekend. I found that I still have more dust than desired, so I am going to raise mine up two inches to see if it helps.
What filter do you have in mind to change out the one that comes with our canisters? I too want to add all the protection I can for the engine intake.
Thanks in advance.......
I was thinking that if needed, I would un-glue the one in the engine intake and replace it with either the cone-shaped TwinAir that I still have or better, find taller TwinAir to fit in there. Need all the surface area we can get. Either way I would need it to be easy to pop out, clean, re-oil and reinstall. Now the CVT side..It also can be taller with larger pleats but I think I need it to stay a dry-type cone-shaped thing for trail-side or camp-site cleaning. I'll be out myself next week from Tuesday to Saturday in the mountains so I'll be testing mine as is to get a base-line. I'm usually in the back on these rides so it should be a good test..for me.

I think I noticed that on your installation you clamped the heads right on the cans. I think that leaves the slits in the side of the heads open for some dust to get through. When..or if you extend them, might get the 3" pipe to extent as far into the head as possible. That way those are covered and all the air has to come in the top.  Still like the look of yours better though.. :)

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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2017, 03:13:17 PM »
NMK,
I too notice the slots on the scoop. I shorten them an inch,so now it should only pull from the top. I put over 100 miles on this past weekend. Also the Z6 was on a trailer for over 15 miles of DUSTY dirt roads. I'm sure that didn't help matters. Both of my canisters allowed more dust then I wanted to see. I think rasing them a bit will help along with some covers on the scoops when trailering. Going to try doing some research on types of filter options we might have for the canisters.
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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2017, 03:29:27 PM »
Good...I'll post what I find too. Hmmm..covers..like a draw-string bag-thing to throw over while transporting.
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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2017, 07:25:48 PM »
Yep, ( just like a draw string cover thingy). I'm trying on the CVT a pre filter bag, and on the air intake I took a outer layer UNI filter ( red ) and stretched it over the canisters filter. Thinking that the air box demand isn't to much. I did leave the UNI foam dry. Hopefully this gets me a little closer to the goal we are trying to achieve.......
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2017, 07:45:40 PM »
Yep, ( just like a draw string cover thingy). I'm trying on the CVT a pre filter bag, and on the air intake I took a outer layer UNI filter ( red ) and stretched it over the canisters filter. Thinking that the air box demand isn't to much. I did leave the UNI foam dry. Hopefully this gets me a little closer to the goal we are trying to achieve.......
How fast did the CVT filter get filled-up?
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2017, 07:50:42 PM »
Not sure how fast it filled up. I didn't check till the end of two days riding. I did however notice quite a bit of fine dust got by both filters. More than likely due to the generic quality of the filters that come in the canisters. I'm sure they would be great on the street but the trail in a whole other beast.
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Re: Intake Stacks/Snorkels of the ZForce 800 With Filters
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2017, 08:27:35 PM »
Not sure how fast it filled up. I didn't check till the end of two days riding. I did however notice quite a bit of fine dust got by both filters. More than likely due to the generic quality of the filters that come in the canisters. I'm sure they would be great on the street but the trail in a whole other beast.
Yeah..that's what I was afraid of. They look better then some of the others but sh..stuff just gets by these dry types. Probably could oil them like a K&N...and I have before..but that makes it not so easy to service on a ride if necessary. I hate it ut a little getting by the CVT filter isn't so bad but everything that gets by the other ends up in the Uni in the box...and that means it will need cleaning sometime. Brr..:)

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