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Offline John riggin

Secondary battery
« on: January 03, 2016, 01:24:03 pm »
Added a secondary battery for all the extras I have on board.  Was wondering is ther any external or options for charging.  I don't want to burn out my factory charging unit     Any help will be appreciated
800ex
Costume front and rear brush bars
Jensen Bluetooth marine radio.
Wet Sounds sound bar
JL AUDIO MARINE AMP
48 inch led bar
3 inch custome lift
28 big horns
EJK chip
Snorkel kit
Customized dual pipe muffler
5 point harness
Up graded blinker lights front and rear
Custom roll cage
K lifter arms

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2016, 01:30:32 pm »
These come with only a 350 watt stator (500w on the PS units) at 5K. Have you added-up all the extra amps you are putting on the system?
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 08:20:14 am by NMKawierider »
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

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Offline John riggin

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2016, 07:32:45 pm »
I installed another battery already equal to stock.   I have added stero  amp external plug 2 led bars  when running it charges around 12 .7 to 14 vlt according what I'm using
800ex
Costume front and rear brush bars
Jensen Bluetooth marine radio.
Wet Sounds sound bar
JL AUDIO MARINE AMP
48 inch led bar
3 inch custome lift
28 big horns
EJK chip
Snorkel kit
Customized dual pipe muffler
5 point harness
Up graded blinker lights front and rear
Custom roll cage
K lifter arms

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2016, 08:07:27 pm »
Looking for amps or watts. Anything over 10amps or 120 watts I think you are getting very close to the limit. Check the fuse that's on the circuit you are using. There should be 1-10 amp and 2-15amp that run everything.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2016, 08:26:08 pm by NMKawierider »
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

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Offline John riggin

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2016, 09:57:14 pm »
I ran a separate 30 amp wire from the secondary battery  to a remote separate fuse panel that runs all extras.   Never running 30 Amps at one time.  If I add up all the Amps it is more than my 30 amp lead.  But all is never full power at one time.  No different than a house.  200 amp service with 600 amp of breakers   I am just worried about stator with charging 2 batteries   Is it capable enough to do that
800ex
Costume front and rear brush bars
Jensen Bluetooth marine radio.
Wet Sounds sound bar
JL AUDIO MARINE AMP
48 inch led bar
3 inch custome lift
28 big horns
EJK chip
Snorkel kit
Customized dual pipe muffler
5 point harness
Up graded blinker lights front and rear
Custom roll cage
K lifter arms

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Offline John riggin

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2016, 09:58:27 pm »
At full capacity running everything it would be right around 350 W what are my options
800ex
Costume front and rear brush bars
Jensen Bluetooth marine radio.
Wet Sounds sound bar
JL AUDIO MARINE AMP
48 inch led bar
3 inch custome lift
28 big horns
EJK chip
Snorkel kit
Customized dual pipe muffler
5 point harness
Up graded blinker lights front and rear
Custom roll cage
K lifter arms

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2016, 09:49:20 am »
Well, you say you have put 30amps worth of extra accessories on a system that only has about 10-12 extra amps to spare. If this is true, then the extra battery is just more storage ability. Its like ..a 5 gallon bucket..with a garden hose and auto-shut-off filling it at the top and a 3" hole with a valve at the bottom. As long as that 3" valve is letting out more water then the hose is filling it, the level will drop. Changing it from a 5-gallon to a 10-gallon bucket only gives extra time until it's drained and doubles how long it takes to fill..or recharge as the garden hose..and the 3" hole are still the same. And as long as you are using at or near that 10-12 extra amps, the charging system will be at full output, making the rectifier/regulator work its ass off and get very hot.

I only see two options.

1: Increase the charging capacity to be at least 10% higher then the total usage. But no one makes a stator or kit that can go that high and no one makes anything for these anyway that I know of. However, several companies such as RMStator will take yours and rewind it and increase it by about 20%. That however isn't enough to overcome your 20 amps overage.
2: Install a voltage gauge and monitor it. When it gets at or below 12.5 volts, shut things off until the voltage starts to increase again and adjust your usage accordingly. If you start going through rectifiers and stators, you will have to consider reducing the load anyway. It's going to be on max output until it reached about 14.2 volts. That's when the bucket is at or near full.  :)

I guess you could always put a small portable gas generator in back and power an extra battery charger...but...I really think you are not going to need or use 30 amps. That's a lot of power. All the fuses on the panel may add up to that but what is the actual usage total. You have to add up each item. You may only be 10-15 amps total in reality. And in that case, you may be just fine.
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

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Offline John riggin

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2016, 05:31:25 am »
Thanks for the info
800ex
Costume front and rear brush bars
Jensen Bluetooth marine radio.
Wet Sounds sound bar
JL AUDIO MARINE AMP
48 inch led bar
3 inch custome lift
28 big horns
EJK chip
Snorkel kit
Customized dual pipe muffler
5 point harness
Up graded blinker lights front and rear
Custom roll cage
K lifter arms

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emersonsc

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2016, 09:59:26 am »
Get a Battery Tender with the battery pigtail. Everytime you shut it down for the day you can plug it in and recharge the system. The battery tender will auto shut off and turn on with the voltage.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2016, 10:18:29 am »
As I look at some of these 48" light bars, the ones that are 240Watt are pulling over 19 amps all by themselves. Wow..that's already almost twice the reserve. With all the rest of your stuff you may very well be pulling upwards of 25-28 amps+ with it all on.
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

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Offline devaldaz

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2016, 11:11:18 am »
I put a bolt gauge on mine and even turning on the factory headlights the voltage drops!!

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2016, 03:24:34 pm »
I put a bolt gauge on mine and even turning on the factory headlights the voltage drops!!

Yeah these mag-type alternators only rotate as fast as the crankshaft. They only reach their max output at about 5000 RPM and even them its only 350 watts or like 28 amps at best (500W is 40amps). Pick your RPMs up and it will increase.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 08:25:31 am by NMKawierider »
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

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emersonsc

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2016, 07:43:43 am »
In asking our rep if they had planned on coming out with an EPS kit for the Non-EPS models, I found out something interesting about these units stators.

In the EPS models, the factory puts in a larger Stator to handle the load of the EPS. The eps stator, part # 0800-032000-4000 is a 500w stator.

Hope this helps.

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2016, 07:53:41 am »
Wow! That is a vast improvement over the standard 350W stators. I thought it interesting knowing what I know about PS systems and their draw that mine never pulled that battery down as it does in my Brute Force..with a 350w stator. This explains much. Thanks!
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Secondary battery
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2016, 08:18:17 am »
Now that I look at the parts list under magneto I see it and the rotor listed. This also explains why you can't just bolt-on a power steering unit to one that came without. You also need to change the stator and rotor to the 500w.
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

My Videos On YouTube  ...   My Videos On Vimeo