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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2018, 12:36:46 PM »
Great. Really looking forward to the fronts now...these will take the "ride regrets" out of buying a 50" for me.
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2018, 02:44:49 PM »

Mine are set at 3 7/8" with 11" to the bottom of the hitch empty.
I had 9” 1/4 before height before I changed out the springs new springs have it sitting around 11” 3/16 high. I have it just under 4”. I have 21 clicks so I set that half way then 2 to fast so 14 out from slow and I have great movement stepping on back of hitch tried it out in the yard driven over some split wood and wow what a difference. Thanks to all the hard work some of you did to get this problem under control with minimum cost.
I was going to toss in that I have mine to the high-side of it's optimum ride height and with my 27" Reapers I have 9.5" from the bottom of the hitch to the floor...so...you might be a little "over preloaded" for a smooth ride. I would think with your 26s it would be around 9"...but maybe you like a "firmer" ride. :)

 
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2018, 03:03:57 PM »

I went by the spec at the CFMoto site that calls for a ground clearance of 11.2".

Perhaps I'm measuring from the wrong spot, but there is still significant extension left in the shock considering how short the range is.



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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2018, 03:19:04 PM »

I went by the spec at the CFMoto site that calls for a ground clearance of 11.2".

Perhaps I'm measuring from the wrong spot, but there is still significant extension left in the shock considering how short the range is.
the new springs are a few inches taller. I marked the collor threads and with the new springs in I’m over a inch away from that mark and it gave me huge movement in travel by just stepping on the back hitch and I had me my wife and my daughter hop on the hitch to check if it’s too soft was good. Maybe I got lucky
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2018, 03:38:48 PM »
Cool..Just thinking out loud. :) Anyways I always wondered how they got that number for a trail. The suspension riding anywhere close to the middle of its travel or arc is going to be far less then 11.2 measured from the hitch or even the skid. Maybe they crank it up so the numbers look better. They show 11.8" for the EX. About 5/8" difference...which I might believe for the EX. Clearly somebody at CFM smoke'n something... :) . Ideally, for general wheel alignment and suspension operation the static setting should be close to the center of the total swing of the suspension. But for most trail riding it is widely used that 80% of the total travel is used for compression and 20% is used for extension. If I jack mine up to where I get 11.25" (11-1/4"), there is less then 5% left before the wheels come off the ground...heck at 13"s the tires are off the ground....so that's wrong...and I also posed the question of what the stock Trail height was on one of the FB groups. So far all have come back with between 9 - 9.75 without lifts and most even with larger tires.   

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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2018, 09:04:16 AM »
Was there ever any talk about a rear spring for the EX models?  Mine have so much pre-load it's kind of ridiculous.  And the ride on the EX is not that great, IMO. 
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2018, 09:27:56 AM »
Was there ever any talk about a rear spring for the EX models?  Mine have so much pre-load it's kind of ridiculous.  And the ride on the EX is not that great, IMO. 
Most of the..at least newer EX's.. have the CFM single rate springs but I'm sure they need improvement as well....and I'll bet they are loosing their tension over time as well. I need someone with an EX to remove one rear and one front spring, and measure the total length of the un-compressed springs. For the Trail's, the rears are the same as the Wildcat's which are a bit longer then the OE at 13.75" and the new fronts will be 11.25". If the EX is anywhere close to these, then there are options for the EX owner. If not...we can work on getting something going for them. 
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2018, 09:47:23 AM »
Ok, thanks.  I'm in the middle of fixing my front diff damage, so I might be able to get the springs off, and get some measurements. 
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #68 on: October 05, 2018, 09:53:48 AM »
Ok, thanks.  I'm in the middle of fixing my front diff damage, so I might be able to get the springs off, and get some measurements. 
That would be cool. And if assembled the front and rear are the same length, then it's probably the only real difference with be in the rates...ie 200 rear and 175 front. Looking forward to your measurement.
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #69 on: October 05, 2018, 10:00:44 AM »
my rear springs are a dual spring. There is one spring on top, then a little spacer,  and a separate spring on the bottom.

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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #70 on: October 05, 2018, 10:11:47 AM »
my rear springs are a dual spring. There is one spring on top, then a little spacer,  and a separate spring on the bottom.
Wow..didn't realize CFM did a setup like that. Well, just stack them together and get a total length.
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #71 on: October 05, 2018, 10:16:36 AM »
my rear springs are a dual spring. There is one spring on top, then a little spacer,  and a separate spring on the bottom.

Interesting.  Mine is a single, and it's pre-loaded way down.  I wonder if they ran out of little springs/spacers by 2017?   :D
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #72 on: October 05, 2018, 10:31:46 AM »
mine are all the way unloaded due to the lift I didn't want it too high. I won't be taking my springs off for any reason though so I can't help you with the measurement. 

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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #73 on: October 05, 2018, 10:40:45 AM »
my rear springs are a dual spring. There is one spring on top, then a little spacer,  and a separate spring on the bottom.

Interesting.  Mine is a single, and it's pre-loaded way down.  I wonder if they ran out of little springs/spacers by 2017?   :D
Come to think of it.. I do remember something about the separate dual rate springs having a problem... collapsing..or being too light and the cure was to remove the lighter-rate section.
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Re: New springs :)
« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2018, 01:51:46 PM »
Took my 800 out for a nice 250 mile ride this past weekend and the Bandit springs made a huge improvement in the ride. Now if the fronts can get done , this thing might actually ride like a true off road vehicle