0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

*

Offline Hrc630

How many miles on your 800 ?
« on: October 01, 2015, 10:19:44 am »
How many miles do you have on your 800 ???
What problem do you have had ?
What is your top speed ?

Mine is s 2015 53"
1550 miles (2500km)
Top speed 75 mph (new belt)
               65 mph (now)
No problem, just fun.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2015, 10:41:15 am by Hrc630 »
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

*

Offline bezerk1

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2015, 03:22:17 pm »
Miles 697
Top Speed  69

Problems: Loose A arm bolts, Shock adjuster was stuck, my dealer replaced it on the trailer and gave me the old shock as a spare no questions asked.  My water pump did weep for a few weeks, hasn't done it in months.  My front shock reservoirs rub on the springs.  For the life of me I can't figure out how to fix it.  Other than those minor issues I am extremely pleased.

*

Offline Scottzforce800

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2015, 05:43:17 pm »
Oh in about 500 miles expect a spun rod bearing on rear cylinder. Should be about it!!!!!
2015 Zforce 800EX

*

Offline bezerk1

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2015, 06:11:46 pm »
Is a spun bearing a common problem on these machines?

*

Offline NMKawierider

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2015, 06:26:35 pm »
Is a spun bearing a common problem on these machines?

Man I hope not...lol  Only about 300 miles on mine, with the new clutching she tops out about 64. The only real problems I have has were the rear a-arm bushing seizing and turning in the tubes, coolant leak at weep but quit on it's own..and exhaust flanges becoming unset because of weak springs.   
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

My Videos On YouTube  ...   My Videos On Vimeo

*

Bpraim

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2015, 11:11:22 pm »
I have 2600kms on mine,
Engine came out at 100kms to have new plain bearing and oil pressure valve.
Other than that its running good, though heavy mods.
I have a few customers in the 3000km range on Z8 and 7000km range on x8

*

emersonsc

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 08:21:01 am »
I had two units, including my own, go down at 620 miles. Both due to airbox failures which caused the air filters to get overcome by sand quickly. On both motors the rear cylinders went down harder than the front. In mine, I also found that the case has a few breaks and cracks. Got two motors in for replacement, and one came in bad right off the bat with no oil pressure, reason was never found. It was also full of green gel in the coolant ports.

Customers machine that went down now has a X8 motor in it and has been running strong so far. For some reason those X8 motors have more low end to them. Because I had to rebuild one of the bad motors, I took the wet clutch, bell housing, and clutches from the 2nd X8 motor they sent us to see if its in the clutching.

The one thing that will make or break these is quality oil and oil change frequencies. These arent cars. These are small engines that work harder, rev higher, and get hotter. I dont care what the manual says, 500, no more than 1000 and then get fresh oil in there.

Dont go cheap on the oil. With that said, DONT GO FULL SYNTHETIC. Its a waste of money, and will actually cause your wet clutch to slip more. Stick to a high quality semi blend or full conventional.

The absolute best oil, IMHO, is a diesel grade oil, 14w40. Why? Think of how massive those engines are and how hard they work. That oil as LOADS of anti-wear additives. This is KEY with these engines because of the type of bearings they use, as well as the cams which arent high quality and have no bearings at all.

As someone who has torn down these engines right down to the last bolt, I can tell you they have some weaknesses that can be overcome with simple PM. You saved a LOT of money by buying one of these. Use those savings to maintain your machine. If you cant afford regular oil changes, you shouldn't have gotten one in the first place.

CHECK YOUR AIR BOX FREQUENTLY!!!
Especially in dusty conditions. I ALWAYS tell my customers to check them after every ride. Ditch the junk stock air filter and go with a Uni or TwinAir. A good quality dual stage foam filter. This way you can wash them and re-oil them frequently. Again, there is not a single roller or needle bearing on the crank or cams, so sand/dirt with destroy everything REAL quick.

These are fun machines and have the potential to last a LONG time as long as to take care of them. Just because its chinese doesnt mean its junk.

I have a Chinese 50cc moped here for service that has 5600 miles on it and still runs strong. The guy made sure to always keep good quality fresh oil in it. PM will make or break you.

*

Offline NMKawierider

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2015, 11:54:35 am »
Great Info..and insite emersonsc . Thanks for the post. Makes me feel better as I am strong on PM myself,
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

My Videos On YouTube  ...   My Videos On Vimeo

*

Offline beaterboss

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2015, 01:40:09 pm »
Well, here's a little horror story about CFMoto, that actually has a happy ending.

In Sept of 2014, I purchased a brand new CFMoto 800 EX. For the price, I didn't think it was a bad deal at all, considering a comparably equipped RZR was $5000 more. Problems quickly started to arise however. On the second day with about 22 miles on the machine, the front differential prop shaft seal started leaking. On the 4th day, the lever for the tilt steering broke off. Not a big deal since I don't change the steering wheel position anyway. I kept a close watch on the front differential level until I had a chance to get it to the dealer, but the leak wasn't that bad.

At the first service with 522 miles, I found that the machine is a service nightmare. Nothing is easy to say the least on that machine. But, my main concern was that the Air Filter had come apart. The top of the filter cartridge itself had separated from the filter body, allowing unfiltered air into the engine for God only knows how long. I replaced the filter with a new one, but was not happy about what I had found and voiced my concern to the dealer. I guess they had several Air Filters that had suffered the same failure after some research on my part.

Spring riding season rolls around in May, and on the first ride of the year, the Temp Sensor on the Radiator failed. This was preventing the cooling fan from starting and causing the temp to increase. I never let it get to the point of boiling over and never let it even get to the top of the temp range on the gauge. We made it back home, and I scheduled an appointment with the dealer for service.

The dealer did an excellent job at repairing all the issues I had thus far encountered. We were still very happy with our CFMoto, and loved our machine. We rode until the end of July with no issues until I started to notice a ticking sound in the motor that just kept getting worse. Just as a side not, I tend to over maintain my machines. They get oil and filter changes every 800 miles, with a new air filters every other oil change, grease jobs after every wash.....I just take pride in my equipment.

With 2400 miles on the machine, I returned it to the dealer for service on July 30th, where the engine blew on start-up, on the trailer, in front of the dealership. After a month and a half of not hearing anything about my machine, I got really pissed and bought a 2016 RZR 900S. The delay, I was told, was unavailability of parts. The thing needed a complete new engine, and none were forthcoming.

I contacted CFMoto directly, and stirred the pot so to speak. To make an already long story shorter, I got a call yesterday Oct 1 from the dealer, telling me that CFMoto was refunding me all of my money for the purchase price, including Taxes!! Thats unheard of. Period.

The dealer really went to the plate for me on this issue, and to thank him, I told him I was going to purchase a new 2015 Zforce 800 53" model he has on the lot. We really loved our CFmoto, and want another even though we had problems with the first. These things happen with anything you buy, but the level of customer service from CFmoto and their willingness to satisfy customers is phenomenal. I've never seen this. Thank you to CFmoto and Bob at Plourde and Plourde in Caribou Maine for the best customer service I have ever encountered in my life.

*

Offline Hrc630

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2015, 02:24:11 pm »
What mods do you have ???

Here in Canada i have seen one Snyper 800 with 8500km and no problem and another ZForce with 6500km and no problem.
I think all the trouble is in the very first miles due to quality control and Aldo from dust in air filter.   I push mine REALLY hard all the Time and the engine seem to be like new.
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

*

Offline Hrc630

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2015, 03:23:36 pm »
Thank you very much emersonrc!
I am very desapointed to know that this 800 engine is not strong.
I really think its a copy of the Rotax found in the Can am ...
Does the Rotax have better bearing design or its the same shit ? My freind have a BRP 800 with 27,000km and NO trouble .
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

*

Offline NMKawierider

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2015, 05:14:32 pm »
I really think its a copy of the Rotax found in the Can am ...
Does the Rotax have better bearing design or its the same shit ? My freind have a BRP 800 with 27,000km and NO trouble .

Although it did start as a copy of the Rotax 800 engine, it did go through some design changes.. changes that helped in production time and cost not in engine life.. IMO. The addition of a wet clutch system was a plus though..as long as it hangs in there.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2015, 02:34:57 pm by NMKawierider »
2015 Z Force 800 (53") EPS -
Custom Air Intakes | Custom Exhaust Mod | SuperATV Harness | Custom Fenders | Custom Skid/Rock Sliders | 27" GBC Grim Reapers | Seizmik Mirrors |Конструктор (Rodin's) Doors | Dr Pulley Sliders | 1.5" Wheel Spacers | BENZ Silencer (as needed) | SATV Tilt windshield W\ Rear Shield | Dual Light Bars | Diamond Plate Storage | Magellan TRX7 GPS

My Videos On YouTube  ...   My Videos On Vimeo

*

Offline ACIDICJO

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2015, 01:05:10 pm »
My dad has a 2007 Can Am Outlander 800. That thing has been an absolute trooper since day one. Only problem he's had with it was overheating issues. A lot of mud was clogging up the radiator and it was hard to keep clean. Couple of years ago he slapped on a radiator relocation kit and the thing has worked flawlessly since. Has only had to change the belt once.

However a couple friends of mine ride Mavericks, and while at first I was impressed by those machines, it seems like every time we got riding something is going wrong with them.

Don't know which engine CFMoto has more of a similarity too (or what the differences are between them) but I hope they don't turn out to be like the Maverick.
2014 ZForce 800 EX
14 in ITP Hurricane's
Sedona Mudder InLaws 30's
2 inch lift
24 inch light bar
2 cube lights
6 inch rear light bar
Wetsounds stealth 10 soundbar
BlueSea Fuseblock
2012 Polaris Rzr 800 all black
2005 Honda Rincon gone but not forgotten

*

emersonsc

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2015, 10:48:19 am »
Well, here's a little horror story about CFMoto, that actually has a happy ending.

In Sept of 2014, I purchased a brand new CFMoto 800 EX. For the price, I didn't think it was a bad deal at all, considering a comparably equipped RZR was $5000 more. Problems quickly started to arise however. On the second day with about 22 miles on the machine, the front differential prop shaft seal started leaking. On the 4th day, the lever for the tilt steering broke off. Not a big deal since I don't change the steering wheel position anyway. I kept a close watch on the front differential level until I had a chance to get it to the dealer, but the leak wasn't that bad.

At the first service with 522 miles, I found that the machine is a service nightmare. Nothing is easy to say the least on that machine. But, my main concern was that the Air Filter had come apart. The top of the filter cartridge itself had separated from the filter body, allowing unfiltered air into the engine for God only knows how long. I replaced the filter with a new one, but was not happy about what I had found and voiced my concern to the dealer. I guess they had several Air Filters that had suffered the same failure after some research on my part.

Spring riding season rolls around in May, and on the first ride of the year, the Temp Sensor on the Radiator failed. This was preventing the cooling fan from starting and causing the temp to increase. I never let it get to the point of boiling over and never let it even get to the top of the temp range on the gauge. We made it back home, and I scheduled an appointment with the dealer for service.

The dealer did an excellent job at repairing all the issues I had thus far encountered. We were still very happy with our CFMoto, and loved our machine. We rode until the end of July with no issues until I started to notice a ticking sound in the motor that just kept getting worse. Just as a side not, I tend to over maintain my machines. They get oil and filter changes every 800 miles, with a new air filters every other oil change, grease jobs after every wash.....I just take pride in my equipment.

With 2400 miles on the machine, I returned it to the dealer for service on July 30th, where the engine blew on start-up, on the trailer, in front of the dealership. After a month and a half of not hearing anything about my machine, I got really pissed and bought a 2016 RZR 900S. The delay, I was told, was unavailability of parts. The thing needed a complete new engine, and none were forthcoming.

I contacted CFMoto directly, and stirred the pot so to speak. To make an already long story shorter, I got a call yesterday Oct 1 from the dealer, telling me that CFMoto was refunding me all of my money for the purchase price, including Taxes!! Thats unheard of. Period.

The dealer really went to the plate for me on this issue, and to thank him, I told him I was going to purchase a new 2015 Zforce 800 53" model he has on the lot. We really loved our CFmoto, and want another even though we had problems with the first. These things happen with anything you buy, but the level of customer service from CFmoto and their willingness to satisfy customers is phenomenal. I've never seen this. Thank you to CFmoto and Bob at Plourde and Plourde in Caribou Maine for the best customer service I have ever encountered in my life.

I can guarantee you the failure was due to the sand intake. I have had two machines suffer the same fate.

I can tell you the parts availability issue your dealer told you is hogwash. I was able to rebuild one of my units from the ground up, and never waited for parts. This included gasket and seal sets, crank and rod bearings, rod bolts, cam shafts, cam chains, injectors, intake manifold assemblies, throttle body, air temp sensor, intake & exhaust valves, valve seals, pistons, rings, c-clips, wrist pins, cylinders... i ordered my stuff on a monday and it was all here on a wednesday. It sounds like your dealer didnt want to, or didnt know how, to rebuild that engine.

CFMoto DOES NOT how ever, stock engines. I was told its because they have such a low failure rate. To me, thats a horrible idea, but I'm just a dealer, what do i know  ;)

*

Offline Hrc630

Re: How many miles on your 800 ?
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2015, 05:22:29 pm »
Today i have remove my air filter to see if all is ok after my 500 km ride...
Very frustrating to see all that sand in my trottle body...
Do you think my engine is ruinned 😤
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer