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Offline flash

Hey Emersonsc
« on: January 19, 2016, 06:04:38 pm »
Have you gotten your 800 back from the wet clutch delete yet ? If so how's it working?
2015 800EX
Two Brothers
Twinair filter
Dynojet
Super ATV half windshield
Rival front and rear bumpers
Super ATV high clearance A-arms
Custom rockslides
29 inch bighorns
Secondary clocked to C1
Конструктор doors
Custom roll cage

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emersonsc

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 07:36:18 am »
Have you gotten your 800 back from the wet clutch delete yet ? If so how's it working?

Not yet, I should have it by end of the month. The holidays put them a bit behind on all of their products and they've been a bit short handed. I'll have pictures and reviews as soon as I get them in. I am making sure when I get it back I also have a full kit to take with me for sale to so anyone interested in buying one can get it right away.

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Offline Hrc630

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2016, 10:12:08 am »
My CF Moto dealer told me that a oem clutch kit with wet clutch delete is now ready directly CF Moto and Will be available is a few days for our 800 !!! I Will have the price very soon.
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

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emersonsc

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2016, 09:35:53 am »
My CF Moto dealer told me that a oem clutch kit with wet clutch delete is now ready directly CF Moto and Will be available is a few days for our 800 !!! I Will have the price very soon.

As a dealer, I can tell you that is NOT from CFMoto...

CMI (the private company that has import & distribution rights for CFMoto in Canada) likes to pull the sheet over folks eyes and claim its CFMoto stuff when its not. Those bumpers, rock slides, enclosures, and windshields are made by 3rd party companies that CMI has contracts with.

That wet-clutch delete kit is yet another 3rd party vendor they have distribution rights with. I'd be leary on the quality. I wont carry the door kits they have anymore because the quality is really bad. The mounting tabs are cheap thin metal that bend easily. They went with a cheaper company for the rock slides which are now a cheaper thinner metal, and a single layer gloss black instead of a primer + flat black powder coat.

Both my sales rep, and CFMoto-US, which is OWNED by CFMoto China, have said there is no official CFMoto clutching kit.

I am waiting to get my machine back from STM Powersports that has designed a whole new clutch kit for these. It will be an all new secondary plus primary with a wet-clutch delete. All CNC-Machined Aluminum American made clutches.

Also, I have access to the same parts ordering system the Canadian Dealers do, and I can assure you, its not from CFMoto. If they have anything, its been made by another company.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2016, 09:38:40 am by emersonsc »

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Offline Hrc630

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2016, 10:52:39 am »
I Will check the quality of the kit before ordering it. For us in Quebec, CMI is very helpfull because they stand behind the product and respond to all our questions.
I have never seen the door, my door have been made custom.
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

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emersonsc

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2016, 11:25:03 am »
My CF Moto dealer told me that a oem clutch kit with wet clutch delete is now ready directly CF Moto and Will be available is a few days for our 800 !!! I Will have the price very soon.

Just called CMI. Here's what i was told:

The clutch kit they are selling IS in fact a new primary and secondary set-up. They are modified CVTech clutches that will include wet-clutch delete components. They are being made in Canada.

No ETA on availability or cost. They are the exact same clutching kits that the CMI race team has been using, so they are saying they are race proven. They just went to production which is why they dont have an ETA or price as of yet.

My issue is they are taking a clutch and modifying it as opposed to a whole new design. Other than spring tension adjustments on the secondary, and roller weight changes on the primary, there isnt much tuning on these clutches compared to other options out there.

I'll be very interested on the price and HOW they modify them. The CMI race team has done well up there, so who knows.

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Offline Hrc630

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2016, 12:16:48 pm »
Ok, it seem perfect for me.
I have race in enduro bike at 12 hours of La Tuque and i have seen the ZForce 800 in action and they look much more agressive than my machine...
ZForce 800 53" 2015
Wet Clutch delete
CVTech Trail block
Two Brothers exhaust
Power Commander 5 with Autotune
ELKA Stage 5 rear shocks
Custom doors
Mud fender
3" wheels spacer

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Offline flash

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2016, 07:55:01 pm »
I'm going to ask maybe a dumb question, but what's the advantage of a wet clutch delete?
2015 800EX
Two Brothers
Twinair filter
Dynojet
Super ATV half windshield
Rival front and rear bumpers
Super ATV high clearance A-arms
Custom rockslides
29 inch bighorns
Secondary clocked to C1
Конструктор doors
Custom roll cage

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Offline Cosmosdan

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2016, 08:12:06 pm »
No wet clutch means less rotating mass, less slipping and gets more hp to the wheels. I think there are more tuning options also. Belts take more of a beating though.
2013 Z6 Trail
Iron Baltic skid plates
UE Boom Speaker mount
RZR 800 Shocks
Mostly stock trail riding
25g. Rollers and A1

2016 Outlander max 570
Too new for mods yet

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Offline NMKawierider

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2016, 08:28:31 pm »
I'm going to ask maybe a dumb question, but what's the advantage of a wet clutch delete?


Yeah I would have to ask that too except prior to my clutch work, it was sluggish and slippy on take offs.. but not now. It hits almost as hard and solid as my Brute on any condition even with the 27s now. The one thing that may be lost is belt life. With the wet clutch the belt is always engaged...ie no slack. Yamaha has enjoyed jots of good reviews over their dura-belt system which is simply a wet clutch system like we have now. Heck my brother had over 6000 miles on his 03 Grizz 660 and it still has the original belt in it! The one plus I can see is more tunable clutches and a better engagement when using a higher stall set up. It is true however that this wet clutch setup isn't as good as others like the Teryx or the Yamaha. There have been some issues. Some from construction...some from being toasted from slipping. They are also kinda noisy too when cold and add to the overall rotating mass..which robs some power. I would like to see it done, then get some long term reviews on it.
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emersonsc

Re: Hey Emersonsc
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2016, 08:01:43 am »
I'm going to ask maybe a dumb question, but what's the advantage of a wet clutch delete?


Yeah I would have to ask that too except prior to my clutch work, it was sluggish and slippy on take offs.. but not now. It hits almost as hard and solid as my Brute on any condition even with the 27s now. The one thing that may be lost is belt life. With the wet clutch the belt is always engaged...ie no slack. Yamaha has enjoyed jots of good reviews over their dura-belt system which is simply a wet clutch system like we have now. Heck my brother had over 6000 miles on his 03 Grizz 660 and it still has the original belt in it! The one plus I can see is more tunable clutches and a better engagement when using a higher stall set up. It is true however that this wet clutch setup isn't as good as others like the Teryx or the Yamaha. There have been some issues. Some from construction...some from being toasted from slipping. They are also kinda noisy too when cold and add to the overall rotating mass..which robs some power. I would like to see it done, then get some long term reviews on it.

The biggest advantage is power gain. Through the wet clutch, you lose hp/tq to the wheels. By deleting the wet clutch, you have more of a "direct" drive. The primary clutch is attached directly to the crankshaft, like a snowmobile or any like just about every other UTV & ATV on the market at this point. You have less rolling resistance, and better throttle to wheel response.

Your next big advantage is repair and maintenance costs. To replace a wet clutch, your looking at close to a $750 bill after labor. You also, although price isnt much different, no longer have to use wet clutch oils. I will continue to use 15w40 Rotella in mine because of the bearings in these engines.

Finally, tuning tuning and tuning. These clutches open up a LOT more tuning over stock. There's little adjustment with these stock clutches, and really, our machines are capable of SO much more, and these stock clutches are one of the things holding them back.

The CVTech clutches are quality, but arent known for their tuning capabilities.

There is a reason everyone went away from wet clutch set ups. In fact, Arctic Cat ran it in the wildcats for only a year and a half. Mid-way through production in the 2nd year they ditched the wet clutch. They are more moving parts that rob power and more moving parts to fail.

In summary, wet clutch delete = lower maintenance costs, less rolling resistance, more power, more top end.