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Offline doug80638

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2018, 12:57:27 PM »

The connectors came in this weekend and I wired up the CAN wires to the OBD harness.

No joy.

The OBD software still can't find a compatible protocol. Torque Pro and OBDLINK both failed to talk to the ECU.

I'll have to try and contact Delphi or CFMoto to see if I can get some information on what protocol is used on these beasts.
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2018, 02:55:44 PM »

The connectors came in this weekend and I wired up the CAN wires to the OBD harness.

No joy.

The OBD software still can't find a compatible protocol. Torque Pro and OBDLINK both failed to talk to the ECU.

I'll have to try and contact Delphi or CFMoto to see if I can get some information on what protocol is used on these beasts.

Dang it...I was so hoping....
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Offline doug80638

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2018, 09:52:24 AM »
Me too! But I'm not giving up.

The ECU appears to be a DELPHI MT05-2 unit. I don't know what protocol changes were made, if any, for CFMOTO, but I did find this on the web today:

https://www.tuningtools.com/bitbox-cf-moto-3pin-to-obd2-adapter.html

This is essentially what I built in the first round (before adding CAN lines).

A little steep at 59 euros. I made mine for under $10.

I'll keep digging.

Update: This ECU apparently  requires software by the name PCHUD. This is some old stuff (1990s) and may be OBD-I based. There is a product called OpenDiagFree as well, but I can only find a  russian version of it.
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Offline doug80638

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2018, 02:59:05 PM »

I'm less confident that a wireless/app based solution is possible. :-(
But I'm more confident that a wired solution is possible.  :-)

I found this:

http://www.chinariders.net/showpost.php?p=292993&postcount=164

It contains a pointer to download PCHUD, OpenDiagFree, and a bunch of helpful info in one large container, just in case there are others wanting to dabble in the unknown ;-)

Grab it if you want it as there is no telling how long it will remain there.
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Offline doug80638

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2018, 01:06:15 PM »
Success!!!

I have demonstrated the ability to monitor real-time ECU operations of the Dephi MT05 via PCHUB software mentioned earlier!

What you'll need:

3 pin pigtail --> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075LKSQJR/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
OBD-II cable --> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O3P8WY4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
USB Adapter --> https://www.ebay.com/itm/163025426389
ECU Software --> https://yadi.sk/d/JwFEdx1RqCRr3Q

A PC running a 32-bit version of windows (Any version)

The  short description of what needs to be done is:

Cut the OBD-II extension cable in half.
Create an OBD-II cable link between the female OBD-II connector and 3 pin pigtail.
Ground to pin 4 --> (Green/black to Black)
Power to pin 16 --> (Brown/Blue to Yellow)
K-line to pin 7  -->  (Orange to Red)

If windows 10, just plug in the KKL VAG-COM 409.1 OBD2 to USB adapter and use the default drivers windows installs.
Earlier versions of windows may require you to install drivers provided with the cable.

Decompress the TAR file containing the software (UniExtract or 7-zip will do fine).
Move the PCHUD folder to the root directory of system drive (C:).

Run HUD.EXE - set up the COMM port details, parameter file, and HUD file. (There are instructions in the zip content)
Plug the OBD-II adapter cable into the diag plug under the steering column.
Plug the other end into the USB adapter cable.
Plug the usb cable into the PC.

Turn the key on :-)

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Offline doug80638

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2018, 01:14:36 PM »

Cutting the OBD-II extention cable --> https://imgur.com/Z6kBUKE


The end result -->  https://imgur.com/qhw8O86
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Offline NMKawierider

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2018, 01:48:42 PM »
Congrats! Sounds like a lot to do to get there but..it's nice to know it can be done.
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Offline ctdls

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2018, 06:39:19 PM »
Sounds like good news, beyond my computer skill level  :)

Would any of this give you the ability to data log? Or is it a line by line real time by sensor monitor? I'm not familiar at all with how you are reading & displaying the data.
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Offline doug80638

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2018, 09:37:14 PM »

Would any of this give you the ability to data log?


Yes. You can log data in a CSV file that can be read by Excel, and the  program will graph the data over time, and allow stepping through the data  both forward and reverse.

I've come to believe that you can change the settings within the ECU as well (slewing?).

I've only reached the point of getting the data read and displayed and have quite a bit to learn yet, but the functionality seems much greater than a typical obd2 app. It's just not as convenient to use.

Much of the information was pulled from ChineseRiders forum as they looked for ways to diagnose issues with RX3 motorbikes. It confirmed I got the cabling correct as well.

I'm not familiar at all with how you are reading & displaying the data.

The data is coming off the k-line in Keyword2000 protocol but the data stream doesn't appear to be ODB compliant, so you need the Delphi specific program. The program display is typical of old DOS programs.

Here is a screen shot of real-time monitoring you can find in the zip file content. I believe this is a set of readings from an RX3.

https://imgur.com/K926cPR

You can add and remove items to monitor, but the process is not intuitive and I haven't yet found good documentation on it yet.
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Offline Jodex11

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2018, 12:33:20 PM »
Frown.....the Zip file is password protected. Tried 7-zip to open it.

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Offline doug80638

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2018, 03:32:32 PM »
password : chinariders
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Offline jyouelle00

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2019, 01:58:25 PM »
Interesting topic. Have you finally been able to make an ODB connection with actual codes readI? If yes did you make a video? Thanks

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Offline doug80638

Re: EFI diagnostic capabilities and OBD compliance
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2019, 03:14:28 PM »

The program reads the codes (and a whole lot more) and displays them on the PC. I've tested it and it works. It's more powerful but not as convenient a process as a phone app or OBD reader.

I provided pictures of the cable in an earlier post.

No videos (yet), but I'll keep that in mind the next time I hook it up and play with it. Let me know what you would like to see and I'll try to put something together.
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