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ZForce => ZForce 800 EX, 53 & Trail => Topic started by: Hansel on September 09, 2015, 08:41:47 PM
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I'm at 411 miles on my Z8EX and just changed my front brake pads. They were toast. The brake pedal went to mush and the front brake reservoir looked empty, as the black rubber diaphragm had completely expanded into the reservoir. The back brakes still had about half their original pad surface, when compared with the new ones.
I asked the dealer what the life expectancy was on the brakes. He said 300-500 miles, depending on the mud/sand/speed/driving style mix. Anyway, I got a set of pads all the way around for $87, CF Moto pads from the dealer. I looked into some EBC pads and they do have a part number for the Z8, but there are no US distributors. Seems that CF Moto has a decent foot print in Canada, but I haven't been able to find a Revzilla/Rocky Mountain ATV equivalent up in Canada that sources them. That being said, I wonder how much the EBC pads would cost and if they would have enough life to make it worth it. I come from a sport bike, track day background and EBC/Galfer/Braking pads were always better in performance and life than OEM replacements. Thoughts?
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I'm at 411 miles on my Z8EX and just changed my front brake pads. They were toast. The brake pedal went to mush and the front brake reservoir looked empty, as the black rubber diaphragm had completely expanded into the reservoir. The back brakes still had about half their original pad surface, when compared with the new ones.
I asked the dealer what the life expectancy was on the brakes. He said 300-500 miles, depending on the mud/sand/speed/driving style mix. Anyway, I got a set of pads all the way around for $87, CF Moto pads from the dealer. I looked into some EBC pads and they do have a part number for the Z8, but there are no US distributors. Seems that CF Moto has a decent foot print in Canada, but I haven't been able to find a Revzilla/Rocky Mountain ATV equivalent up in Canada that sources them. That being said, I wonder how much the EBC pads would cost and if they would have enough life to make it worth it. I come from a sport bike, track day background and EBC/Galfer/Braking pads were always better in performance and life than OEM replacements. Thoughts?
Get me the EBC part number and I will look into it. I sell EBC brake components so I cant see why I couldnt get a hold of them.
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I'm having a hard time with only getting 4-500 miles out of them. I have almost 5000 miles on my Brute Force and it's pads are still more then 50% there. It has a very good engine brake though. An interesting side note...the engine braking is way stronger on the Z8 when the secondary spring is in the B2 position. Less use of the brakes means longer pad life...
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I'm at 411 miles on my Z8EX and just changed my front brake pads. They were toast. The brake pedal went to mush and the front brake reservoir looked empty, as the black rubber diaphragm had completely expanded into the reservoir. The back brakes still had about half their original pad surface, when compared with the new ones.
I asked the dealer what the life expectancy was on the brakes. He said 300-500 miles, depending on the mud/sand/speed/driving style mix. Anyway, I got a set of pads all the way around for $87, CF Moto pads from the dealer. I looked into some EBC pads and they do have a part number for the Z8, but there are no US distributors. Seems that CF Moto has a decent foot print in Canada, but I haven't been able to find a Revzilla/Rocky Mountain ATV equivalent up in Canada that sources them. That being said, I wonder how much the EBC pads would cost and if they would have enough life to make it worth it. I come from a sport bike, track day background and EBC/Galfer/Braking pads were always better in performance and life than OEM replacements. Thoughts?
Ok, so I did some digging on my own and this is what I found.
EBC seems to make brake pads for every CFMoto model.
EBC brakes are FA135 (Front Left) & FA165 (Front Right) which is used by several other brands, including Can-Am, Yamaha, and Suzuki. They also have several different types, like heavy duty, standard, ect. I have two suppliers that I get my EBC brakes from, both have these in stock.
For the rears, you will use FA651, which seem to be specific to CFMoto. One of my distributors does NOT carry them. The other one I wont be able to check until the AM.
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Something Else I wanted to point out:
CFmoto offers a "sintered brake pad" option for the front and rears. I wonder if these are EBCs...
7000-0801A0 REAR BRAKE PAD SIINTERED BRAKE PAD, AFTER-SALE,OPTIONAL $38.96
7000-0808A0 FRONT BRAKE PAD,RH SIINTERED BRAKE PAD, AFTER-SALE,OPTIONAL $30.97
7000-0809A0 FRONT BRAKE PAD,LH SIINTERED BRAKE PAD, AFTER-SALE,OPTIONAL $30.97
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These are available through Automatic and WPS, both. the FA135 & FA165. I have not been able to find a distributor that stocks the rears, FA651
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I like EBC pads. I've won many races with EBC pads. When the rear brakes on my Polaris Sportsman wore out I replaced them with EBC. I felt like I got better braking force out of them. I know they will last a lot longer. I always used semi-metallic. The braking on the CFMoto is mediocre. I think new pads will make it brake like it should. Like NMKawi said the CFMoto has a ton of engine braking. Even with stock clutch settings.
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Will those ebc part numbers fit both the z8 and z6 or just the z8?
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That picture looks like a fake k&n to me.
It should have a k&n logo on and a part number below the logo.
I'm looking at k&n apollos on ebay and almost all of them are fakes!
Beware
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That picture looks like a fake k&n to me.
It should have a k&n logo on and a part number below the logo.
I'm looking at k&n apollos on ebay and almost all of them are fakes!
Beware
…? wtf are you talking about?
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I wanted to reply directly to this topic even despite the age as it's the only one I could find directly related to using aftermarket brake pads.
For a CForce 500, which I think is an X5 in the US, if you take a FA159R from EBC and drill out the holes with a 1/2 drill so they are round, they fit and work great. I did this last year and got over 1,000km on them. In fact I replaced them last night and there was still about 30% pad left. The stock ones from CFMoto I got about 350km out of them and they were completely gone.
And at least from where I bought them, the EBC ones were actually cheaper than the CFmoto OEM ones.
** I just looked now and the ones I used they now have one that is an exact (at least for mine). 2015 Cforce 500. EBC FA453R. They do list the one that were listed above too for the older models, I guess you really have to look at your pads to see which ones you have **
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I have a 2014 cforce 800 with 2000kms (1240 miles) and I just checked mine the other day and they are only about half way worn.
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Replaced my pads tonight. About 650 miles on them, not much left on 3 pads, and the 4th just barely completely gone on one end.
Hard miles, loaded down, stop and go, mudd, and alot of coal+shale.
$14 bucks for both front sides, shipped on ebay from Sixty. Seem to be decent pads. Part numbers are fa135 and fa165.
They cross reference to alot of machines, same pads the Suzuki ltr 450 uses up front, so there pretty easy to find. For the price I just don't think you can go wrong.
Will be out riding Saturday, I'll report back.
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Pads preformed well! Better braking then the stock pads ever had and at $14 bucks shipped for both side's, I'm going to order a 2nd set to keep ready on the shelf.
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Pads preformed well! Better braking then the stock pads ever had and at $14 bucks shipped for both side's, I'm going to order a 2nd set to keep ready on the shelf.
Really good news as mine have always sucked..however at 560 miles my pads still look pretty good. Might replace them anyway just to get better stopping power. As is almost have to use both feet to get it to stop...almost. When I drove my friend's RzR I hit the brakes like mine and almost put me over the steering wheel..would like to have something more like that...which would be more normal.
Can you post links to these sets? Thanks
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why there are 2 part numbers?
isn't it the same set for front and rear?
can someone explain?
Thx
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The parts suppliers also show two part numbers. I can only assume its is because of brake ratio. 60/40 I believe so that would require a larger pad on front then in rear even though the ratio-ing is partly done in the proportioning valve or master cylinder, the size is also a factor on many 4w disk brake systems. That's just my guess though.
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Pads preformed well! Better braking then the stock pads ever had and at $14 bucks shipped for both side's, I'm going to order a 2nd set to keep ready on the shelf.
Really good news as mine have always sucked..however at 560 miles my pads still look pretty good. Might replace them anyway just to get better stopping power. As is almost have to use both feet to get it to stop...almost. When I drove my friend's RzR I hit the brakes like mine and almost put me over the steering wheel..would like to have something more like that...which would be more normal.
Can you post links to these sets? Thanks
Yep :)
Here ya go.
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=151221528432&alt=web
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=151964171474&alt=web
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the EBC are not that expensive. The fronts are around $25-$30 a set and the rear are about 30 a set. The FA651 seems to cross over with a Suzuki XN85 Turbo
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the EBC are not that expensive. The fronts are around $25-$30 a set and the rear are about 30 a set. The FA651 seems to cross over with a Suzuki XN85 Turbo
Yep and EBC makes a good pad also I just figure if I'm going to be burning through a set every five or six hundred miles then I'll just keep putting on these $7 aside ones :)
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Well I just noticed 90% of my rear pads were gone and only about 10% of the fronts are gone. That explains why I have such sh*ty brakes...it's only stopping with the rears. And I only have 575 miles on it. So I just ordered a set of these cheap pads and will get to the bottom of this brake issue. You would think these would be proportioned like any other vehicle..60% front and 40% rear so the fronts should go first...but NOoooooo :)
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I had a little time this evening and put the 800 on jack stands and checked the front and rear brakes. Mine are just the opposite, front brakes are almost gone, rear brakes seem to have a little life left in them as the pictures below show. 750 miles btw.
So the two ebay links above will take care of the fronts and rear? For $14 bucks, I'm going to try them out as well.
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So the two ebay links above will take care of the fronts and rear? For $14 bucks, I'm going to try them out as well.
Yeah. I'm trusting they do fit the ZForce. Nighthawk says they fit perfect. I understood that it was 7 bucks per set so 2 sets per end is what I ordered. That's about 30 bucks for the full set. My rears are slightly worse then your fronts. Looks like you do more mud then I do though. Funny that my Kawasaki has over 4600 miles on it's pads and they have more then 50% left.
qwingo12, let me ask you a question. On yours when you hit the brakes, does the front drop down like a car's? See mine doesn't...feels like I only have rear brakes and almost need to get two feet on the peddle sometimes. Now the wear is showing that might be true. Think I got a bad master cylinder.
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Yes...Usually when I go out, mud is involved. I don't have a lot of places (atv parks) close to where I am...just a couple within a hour drive and they're nothing special, so me a a few guys ride on private property and we always seem to find mud.
To be honest, I never really have to get on the brakes that hard to notice. However, a few weeks back, a friend wanted to do some time trials on, his 800 rzr against my Z800. On three passes, I got on the brakes hard because there was not a lot of room past finish line. Front end did dip. But again, I've driven a couple different rzrs and our z800s don't come close to the stopping power they have. Those noses WILL dip...Never been a fan of the brakes since I picked them up.
Still think I need to change out the brake fluid...but I've never done it or had to bleed brakes before.
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Just to be clear, the 2 different part numbers I used were for the fronts.
The front left uses a different part number then the right front.
They've held up well so far. My rears are getting down there pretty good and I need to get some ordered.
There small pads up front, same pads the ltr 450 uses . And we're talkin about them stopping a big heavy sxs.
I'm ok with the wear as its exspected
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Ok...so the two Ebay links you posted were for the Fronts only?
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Ok...so the two Ebay links you posted were for the Fronts only?
One is for the rears and the other is for the fronts. Says it in the description. After reading it a second tome you may well get a full set for the rear and front for that price..hard to believe. If so, I have two full sets coming. As fast as these go through them its probably a good thing.
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I may have ordered the last set...
Said they had 4 sets and 3 had been sold
Don't need them yet, Literally have 2 miles on my machine. However, good to have on hand, current topic, don't need to search for part numbers and compatibility
Oh, and I do whatever NMKawierider does :)
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I just put new pads on my Z600 from ebay store central.part $31.00 free shipping (full set front and back); looks like they have them for Z800 2014/15's
Only been out 5 miles on them but a nice difference so far (but no real mud or water yet)..
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Replaced my pads tonight. About 650 miles on them, not much left on 3 pads, and the 4th just barely completely gone on one end.
Hard miles, loaded down, stop and go, mudd, and alot of coal+shale.
$14 bucks for both front sides, shipped on ebay from Sixty. Seem to be decent pads. Part numbers are fa135 and fa165.
They cross reference to alot of machines, same pads the Suzuki ltr 450 uses up front, so there pretty easy to find. For the price I just don't think you can go wrong.
Will be out riding Saturday, I'll report back.
This is what I was confused about...even though the description says front or rear...The two part numbers were for Left Front and Right Front....even though it says rear, part number didn't match up to what others had said regarding part numbers.
So Nightstalker just changed his front pads with?.?.?
I was wanting to do all four wheels while I was making the mess.
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Oh, and I do whatever NMKawierider does :)
OMG!!! :)
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Replaced my pads tonight. About 650 miles on them, not much left on 3 pads, and the 4th just barely completely gone on one end.
Hard miles, loaded down, stop and go, mudd, and alot of coal+shale.
$14 bucks for both front sides, shipped on ebay from Sixty. Seem to be decent pads. Part numbers are fa135 and fa165.
They cross reference to alot of machines, same pads the Suzuki ltr 450 uses up front, so there pretty easy to find. For the price I just don't think you can go wrong.
Will be out riding Saturday, I'll report back.
This is what I was confused about...even though the description says front or rear...The two part numbers were for Left Front and Right Front....even though it says rear, part number didn't match up to what others had said regarding part numbers.
So Nightstalker just changed his front pads with?.?.?
I was wanting to do all four wheels while I was making the mess.
That was nighthawk who changed his.......Not NIGHTSTALKER....I have not changed mine. This site has so much Darkness :)
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My apologies.... ;) Haha
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Lol you guys are goofs.
And yes, those were the front pads.
U havnt done the rears yet
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Well, I ordered these pads:
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=151221528432&alt=web
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=151964171474&alt=web
And they came in today. They DO NOT FIT the 2015 ZForce800/53 in any way, shape or form, front or back. I don't know if the EX uses a different caliper but these will not fit the 53s at all. If they do fit something else and you need a set, let me know. Otherwise these are slated for the trash can. I known better. If it doesn't say it fits your machine, DON'T BUY IT!
Fortunately after taking then old ones off I see they actually have more then 90% left and the slides are well lubed and working well so at least I have some time.
The ones on the bottom are the off the rear of my 800/53 and the ones on the top are the rears from ebay which are longer, mount tabs are different and the hole "I"s on top are...well you get the picture.
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/BFFreak_2008/CFMoto%20ZForce%20800/DSC05605_zpsqsbjyouy.jpg)
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Those ones on top are front pads..
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Description says rear though and the others look very much the same. I'll pull a front off tomorrow and see.
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Those CF moto rear pads sure do look exactly like the rear brake pads on my 2000 Kawasaki KX 250 MX bike.....
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OK, so, yes, these are for the LEFT and RIGHT FRONT only. Have nothing to do with the rear at all. They fit fine except I had one issue with one of the right sets I bought. Wouldn't you know it was the first one I opened... They had left 6mms too much pad material on. Had to machine them down to fit. Thought they were all going to be this way but after installation and opening the next set I see that it was just a manufacturing error.
So..NightHawk, do you have a cross reference for the rears? 8) ;)
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I've found some numbers, and plan to order and try some cheapo's very soon.
Sorry for the delay, bought a house and have been tied up lol
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After 2 days of searching I was finally able to locate a pair of EBC FA651X pads for the rear of my Z8. A local dealer provided me with a super secret EBC tech support number. I ended up talking with EBC who then referred me to a distributor where I was finally able to order the pads. The reason the pads are so hard to find is because they are European pads. They are only available in the Carbon X compound at this time. The distributor is www.perfectbrakes.com (http://www.perfectbrakes.com). They were very knowledgeable and helpful. A failing wheel bearing (1000 miles) cause my pads to wear prematurely.
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The distributor is www.perfectbrakes.com They were very knowledgeable and helpful. A failing wheel bearing (1000 miles) cause my pads to wear prematurely.
I wonder why the rest of your post doesn't show....at least it doesn't to me.
"www.perfectbrakes.com. They were very knowledgeable and helpful. A failing wheel bearing (1000 miles) cause my pads to wear prematurely.
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Fixed. I had to add the web address in a URL HTML tag.
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bezerk1, Are you able to look-up that part number on that site?
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I was not able to look it up. I had to call them directly. Those pads in that picture do not look like rear pads. I think that just a stock image.
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I was not able to look it up. I had to call them directly. Those pads in that picture do not look like rear pads. I think that just a stock image.
Yeah most be...they all had that image.