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Offline COElkFreak

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400s steering
« on: March 13, 2018, 09:55:29 AM »
 Wondering if anybody here has installed a power steering kit on one of the 400 S models if so which kid did you use and how well did it work ?

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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2018, 03:27:51 PM »
Im intrested too in this topic..


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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2018, 09:05:39 AM »
Can't imagine the stator/rectifier being able to put out enough to take care of the power requirements. Even on the 800s, they has to be increased from 350 watt to 500 watt for the PS systems. Those can pull at full turn in the 20 amp range..like running a winch...real battery killers.
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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2018, 10:22:05 AM »
The ATV's I'm familiar all have the larger 30ah battery so that may handle the peak loads of the PS. If the charging system is constantly running @ full output to keep up that's not good for sure. I don't know if they upgrade the charging system for the 400/500's PS models or they rely on the larger battery capacity.....certainly worth exploring.

Myself I would use those dollars to an upgrade LX model, many other good things come when you upgade to a PS model. Such things as a winch, Aluminum rims, 6 ply tires etc.
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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2018, 11:23:21 AM »
Yes, that is problem is the stator would be able to create thar much power. But i see there is preparation for eps on my model, because i have all wires allready in place. This motor is 380w, but maybe to put 220w motor?? Battery is 18ah
https://i.imgur.com/wXjHjpU.jpg
P.s. i allready have alluminium rims, winch, 6ply tires 🤨

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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2018, 10:07:13 AM »
Ok, i found out, stator can give 320w at 5000rpm, and battery is 30ah.
Powersteeringbmotor is 220w. Any wise advice? Go into project or not??
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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2018, 12:38:14 PM »
Have to know what the total wattage needs of all the rest of the system like ignition and fuel pump systems, lights, gauges, sensors. Typically, these are set up to have a reserve power for additional accessories of somewhere between 8 and 15 amps. That's 100 to 187 watts in reserve over what the machine needs to operate all of its electrical items. You might get away with it on long straight trails where you are not moving the bars much but on slow tight trails you will use much more out of the battery then what the system can put back in and it will pull it down. It can stop running...and it may not restart if too low as well as damage the ECM. It's your machine but...this isn't something I would do. Better to trade it in on an 800 with PS and ride worry-free.  JMO :)

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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2018, 12:43:08 PM »
Thats concrete answer...i was thinking if not retroefit power steering replace it with cf550 eps... So then i should go that way better..
Tnx a lot, it clearer now..

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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2018, 12:55:09 PM »
Thats concrete answer...i was thinking if not retroefit power steering replace it with cf550 eps... So then i should go that way better..
Tnx a lot, it clearer now..
Well...I went through some of this problem when I put an aftermarket PS system on my 2006 Brute Force. Spent a lot of money for the PS system and then had to upgrade the battery and rectifier/regulator but the stator never put out enough to overcome the loss on long twisty trails. It was a carbed machine and had a pull start if needed but when that 187-dollar Shorai battery went low, the PS system stopped working first. Then I had to let it catch up for a while before going again. PITA. Don't wish that on anyone. I do LOVE having power steering and won't ever buy another without it though. It's just it better be designed to have it...and have it from the factory.
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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2018, 01:18:42 PM »
I tottaly agree with you... I purchace 450without it and it was great to me and then one (un)fortunate way try cf550 with eps and fall in love with eps...expecially on stone it is sooooo light, and without it...sooooooo tought 😒😒

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Re: 400s steering
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2018, 08:22:31 AM »
I also have the non-ps 400s and if I'd have done my homework I'd have bought the later model with it included. I have already been in two dangerous trail situations where I was almost injured due to hard handlebar kickback due to no PS.
It would be amazing if there was a cost effective bolt on solution that worked like factory but it looks like there isnt.
Lesson learned but I still enjoy my machine in normal situations. 
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